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So if this was a hate crime, rather than a meth-maker/dealer protecting themselves...what would be different about it ?

The person who was murdered was acting as an agent of the government, their body was left in a very conspicuous manner, with what seems to be a message to all other agents of the government. 

Barring displaying the body in the state's capital or in front of a government building, I think the required criteria of a hate crime against the federal government are there.

Doesn't matter much in the end.  Even if it turns out to be an enraged rightie Beck devotee it will be written off as yet another "bad apple" and much ado about nothing.

resedit wrote:

What is the difference between inciting riot and encouraging people to use their first amendment right to peacefully assemble and protest?

Brandenburg v. Ohio.

(I'm not saying that this is at issue, here.  I believe that there has been a fair amount of reckless anti-government speech on behalf of certain individuals on the right, however.)

Links:

http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news/story/949349.html

http://www.wkyt.com/wymtnews/headlines/60797072.html

Farmerkev wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

So if this was a hate crime, rather than a meth-maker/dealer protecting themselves...what would be different about it ?

The person who was murdered was acting as an agent of the government, their body was left in a very conspicuous manner, with what seems to be a message to all other agents of the government. 

Barring displaying the body in the state's capital or in front of a government building, I think the required criteria of a hate crime against the federal government are there.

I don't know how conspicuous the body was. Nobody found it until days after the event when they went looking for him. It was decomposed.
There just isn't enough information to jump to any conclusions.
It could be a hate crime.
It could be a druggie.
It might be he was screwing somebody's wife and got caught.
You just don't know.

We don't know yet.

But, if rural South is anything like the rural West...if you murder someone on your land, you bury them and don't talk about it, you don't go out of the way to be conspicuous about it.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

I believe that the right to speak against government policies you disagree with and proposed government policies you disagree with is a fundamental right that should not be infringed.

Who said they should be "infringed?"  I called them reckless and irresponsible, not illegal.

Is it reckless and irresponsible to speak against government policies you disagree with?

Is it reckless and irresponsible for you to demand that Israel stop their blockades of the Gaza Strip and their occupation of the West Bank and Golan Heights?

Last edited by resedit (2009-09-24 1:13 pm)

bedstuy wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

But, if rural South is anything like the rural West...if you murder someone on your land, you bury them and don't talk about it, you don't go out of the way to be conspicuous about it.

In NYC you cut the body up in pieces and distribute it throughout the subway system at 4 am.

Doubtful.
If the subway system is anything like BART - that's when there are active crews doing maintenance.
Pretty much every night of the year.

Last edited by resedit (2009-09-24 1:19 pm)

resedit wrote:

Is it reckless and irresponsible to speak against government policies you disagree with?

No, it's "reckless and irresponsible" to incite hatred and fear for bullsmurf reasons.  It's reckless to suggest that fascists are taking over the country, or that  the president wants to create a socialist civilian army, or that he's going to take everyone's guns away, or that secession or revolution should be considered, or that the Census might be used in a way similar to the internment of Japanese. 

Is it reckless and irresponsible for you to demand that Israel stop their blockades of the Gaza Strip and their occupation of the West Bank and Golan Heights?

What does that have to do with anything?

resedit wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

But, if rural South is anything like the rural West...if you murder someone on your land, you bury them and don't talk about it, you don't go out of the way to be conspicuous about it.

In NYC you cut the body up in pieces and distribute it throughout the subway system at 4 am.

Doubtful.
If the subway system is anything like BART - that's when there are active crews doing maintenance.
Pretty much every night of the year.

fyi, this was done just several years ago to a teen age homosexual from Brooklyn.  BART does not, as far as I know, run 24/7 like NYC's transit system.

Last edited by bedstuy (2009-09-24 1:30 pm)

Jeez, how hard can it  be to properly, and discretely, dispose of a body - especially in rural Kentucky. Just drop the body in a pig lot, and be done with it. The pigs will dispose of it quite nicely.

Other options for rural areas include:
1) metal drum + kerosene/diesel fuel. If you are already burning fields or brush, it should be trivial to add a body to the mix - but keep the drum, as it keeps any unburnt bone fragments or teeth together. You will want to sift out these bits, and destroy them separately.
2) metal drum + lye or concentrated nitric/sulfuric acid (note the or here, you don't want to mix these) Again, not all parts of the body may dissolve rapidly enough, but it liquify most of the body - and denature the DNA. Like the previous method, dispose of any remaining parts separately.
3) disposal in a sausage grinder. Sure, this requires some prep work if you aren't using an industrial model, but you can reuse the body to feed livestock. Make sure to clean the thing afterwards, though - as this method can leave DNA evidence on the blades and chute. Running a few more animal carcasses through it should muddy the waters, but forensic science is getting pretty good at this.
4) The old standby, burial in a remote area. Really remote. Downside is that the body is still there, and uncontrolled. Some housing development a few years later could turn it up. Find a swampy or inconvenient area, unlikely to be developed.

Assuming you aren't a complete idiot, any of these methods can be used to get rid of an inconvenient body.

Hanging it in a tree with words scrawled on it is not a good method if you want to be either proper, or discrete.

bratboy wrote:

Probably enough about the disposal of bodies, ya think?

Well, now you know; and knowing is half the battle.

bratboy wrote:

Probably enough about the disposal of bodies, ya think?

Kinda like radarman and I may be watching too many procedural crime dramas on the television.