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I was right.
I just heard the song from Fox, went to look at the TV - Glenn Beck was starting.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Do you think the kids were more or less of a "captive audience" then the high school kids who had the option of praying with their coach before a football game?

What does the establishment clause have to do with this?

Nothing.
I wasn't asking about the establishment clause.
I was asking if they were more or less of a captive audience?

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Nothing.
I wasn't asking about the establishment clause.
I was asking if they were more or less of a captive audience?

Why would the level of "captive audience"-ness depend on the speech?

The level doesn't depend upon the speech.

You know what I'm asking and why I'm asking it, pretending you don't doesn't cut it.

The obvious point is that they are a captive audience with no choice, and that it is inappropriate to use public funds for political indoctrination of a captive audience that has no choice but to participate.

I don't think it is a huge deal, but it is still not appropriate.

resedit wrote:

You know what I'm asking and why I'm asking it, pretending you don't doesn't cut it.

Please don't ever assume this.

The obvious point is that they are a captive audience with no choice, and that it is inappropriate to use public funds for political indoctrination of a captive audience that has no choice but to participate.

I don't think it is a huge deal, but it is still not appropriate.

Perhaps it's inappropriate (the song itself is terrible) but it doesn't make any sense to speak in terms of a "captive audience" because that pertains to content that is impermissible under the First Amendment.  Yes, children at school are a "captive audience" in most every situation.   

I honestly do not remember hearing anything but wonderful stuff about 'the president' when I was a child in public school (Reagan).  There wasn't a dumb song, but we're really splitting hairs at that point.

Did you also see/hear the alteration of the Battle Hymn of the Republic that they sang?

It also seems the concert the kids were doing was promoting a book the teacher wrote on Obama.
Her book was clearly on display at the event.

Exploitation of children anyone?

Should a public school teacher use their students to promote their book?

"Ring around the roses" is supposedly about the Plague. Nursery rhymes often have very dark undertones. Then of course there's Christmas carols. All of these are sung in school.

I think the thing to do is LIGHTEN UP.

They passed out the brown shirts to the kids after the video was made.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I feel bad for the white kids. They knew they'd get beat up by the darkies if they got out of line.

I doubt you ever grow out of it...

It's kinda being homosexuel, there always stays this feeling that people (might) judge you for what you ''are'' basicly.
(just another human being but..)

Last edited by Proost (2009-09-24 5:17 pm)

Daddyo wrote:

They passed out the brown shirts to the kids after the video was made.

So this is occurring at the direction of the State?  At the direction of the President?  At the direction of the school?

If you want to play with the big boys around here, why not drop the sarcasm and offer a thoughtful, reasoned argument for once?  Surely you're due for one by now.

Last edited by bratboy (2009-09-24 5:35 pm)

Pariah wrote:

Reagan talked to school kids, as did Bush1, Clinton and Bush2.
So they were all out of line?

I'm guessing only Clinton.

I don't think this should be encouraged, but this seems more stupid than anything (and I think it's pretty smurfy to distribute a video tape of young children on the internet without parent permission).