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Graphic Autist wrote:

Holy smurf!

Has anyone read the comments people have left on YouTube regarding the video Daddyo posted in the opening post? Some of the most hateful racist comments I have ever read.

There are a LOT of nutcases out there.

Yes, there are.
That we can agree on.

Is there an option to hide them?  They are always terrible.

resedit wrote:

Graphic Autist wrote:

Holy smurf!

Has anyone read the comments people have left on YouTube regarding the video Daddyo posted in the opening post? Some of the most hateful racist comments I have ever read.

There are a LOT of nutcases out there.

Yes, there are.
That we can agree on.

Seems we just disagree on whether riling precisely those very people into a frenzy is admirable or irresponsible.

Just another night over at freerepublic

Would you identify the speech of supremacist groups as being "irresponsible," or "protected?"  You appear to believe that speech can never be both.

Graphic Autist wrote:

So this is normal then...O.K.

Scary.

It was intended to refer to a video game, but I find it to be generally true:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

It completely explains the vast majority of comments on the Internet, youtube or elsewhere.

resedit wrote:

Racist groups have protected hate speech.

Hate speech, while protected, is vastly different than expressing dissent at the policies of government.

You didn't answer my question.

Are you claiming that "hate speech" could move the simple-minded to violence, but outlandish claims about an imminent socialist/marxist/fascist takeover could not?

Prayer has no place in public schools or at football games in my opinion, but to compare this song to prayer is absolutely like comparing apples and steamships. Singing a song in praise of the current sitting president is not barred by any amendment to the Constitution of which I am aware. To compare the two is shear folly.

Schools do indeed sing "traditional" or "religious" carols. Go to a high school choir concert in December and see that I am right. (Source: friends who are high school choir & band teachers, and personal experience accompanying them.) So there goes another argument down the tubes.

If this song was being sung to promote a book that the teacher authored, and if the students (or their parents) had no choice in the matter, then that is the only inappropriate thing I can see here. If that was the case.

All y'all whities are scheduled for a beatin' up.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Racist groups have protected hate speech.

Hate speech, while protected, is vastly different than expressing dissent at the policies of government.

You didn't answer my question.

Your question was ridiculous.
We were not talking about hate speech.

We were talking about political ideologies, and thus that is the context of what I argued.

Last edited by resedit (2009-09-25 4:31 pm)

So ridiculous you're afraid to answer?

I'm asking if speech can be both protected and irresponsible. Or are you proclaiming that "political" speech can never be irresponsible?

resedit wrote:

Freakout Jackson wrote:

resedit wrote:

Yes, there are.
That we can agree on.

Seems we just disagree on whether riling precisely those very people into a frenzy is admirable or irresponsible.

We disagree that right wing media is responsible for people who commit crimes that right wing media does not condone and in fact speaks out against.

Just like the anti-establishment movement and rhetoric from the 60s is not responsible for the actions of Charles Manson and his goonies.

Not Manson, he was a rightwing white supremacist who believed he was going to set off a race war with his murders, which he expected to be blamed on blacks.

But it is my opinion that the inflamed rhetoric of the leaders of the left was directly responsible for the bombings and violent demonstrations. Just as the inciting rhetoric of the rightwingers on Fox and such is and will be responsible for the violence that has happened and the far worse that is to come.

Pariah wrote:

resedit wrote:

And for all your claims of inciting stuff, the tea partiers did not put on the kind of show that the left wing anti-capitalists put on at G20.

We actually behave ourselves when we exercise our rights.

McVeigh.
Oh, ya..and I might point out that when an election does not go the way the left would like there is not a MASSIVE spike in the sale of guns and ammunition.
When the right gets pissed they acquire arms and set about killing people, not tipping over dumpsters.

The sales of guns and ammunition was in fear of Obama making both extremely difficult to acquire and/or heavily taxed.
Obama likes to put taxes on things he doesn't like. That's actually the left in general.

We can have our freedom, but have to fork over our kids college fund to have them.
Otherwise, we have to be good little citizens and live our personal lives the way the left sees fit.

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky,
Little boxes, little boxes,
Little boxes, all the same.

Last edited by resedit (2009-09-25 6:01 pm)