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resedit wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

resedit wrote:

Demonstration that vaccinations do have side effects that many people do not want to risk, especially for a disease that isn't fatal in their demographic (unless NY health has a tendency to hire high school students).

so 1 in a million chance of vaccine related death...

Its currently a 1 in 500,000 chance of dying from the swine flu.

I'll take my chances with the vaccine.

And that's a fine choice for you to make.

And I don't stand a increased risk of exposure and transmission.

radarman wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Refusing steps to increase herd immunity is stupid.

Have you gotten your swine flu shot yet?

Zing!

Oh wait, is the vaccine available yet?

Tue Sep 15, 2009
The first doses should be available within the next four weeks, according to the FDA.

Tallgeese wrote:

radarman wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Refusing steps to increase herd immunity is stupid.

Have you gotten your swine flu shot yet?

Zing!

Oh wait, is the vaccine available yet?

Tue Sep 15, 2009
The first doses should be available within the next four weeks, according to the FDA.

We'll have to start a thread in a few weeks to see who's running down to their local pharmacy to get a shot then.

As it stands, this is the state trying to force private individuals into a medical procedure they don't want. These aren't soldiers, or even government personnel in many cases. The state has zero right to demand anyone other than military (and even that should be limited to absolute necessity) take any shot or be subject to any medical procedure - period. I don't care if the black plague was running rampant in NY.

If it's serious enough, those people are smart and well aware of the risks. I suspect they will make the right decision without some over-reacting dumbass cramming it down their throat. The only people who should be at risk of losing their jobs are the bureaucrats that thought this would fly.

JakeTheTall wrote:

Refusing steps to increase herd immunity is stupid.

Then let survival of the fittest strengthen the herd.

So you don't feel that in time of pandemic, the state is able to take certain public health measures that may infringe on the rights of private citizens?

I think it is a good idea for these people to be vaccinated, and if I worked for them I'd get it.
I just don't think it should it should be mandated.

I'm not getting it because I think I have already had it, and I'm not in high risk demographic for death.
My little brothers are getting it and my parents are getting it. One of my little brothers has a respiratory problem and is at higher risk than the rest of the population from common flu. But I'm not getting it, and I think it should be elective.

My opinion is not based on right wing or left wing partisan politics, it is based on a belief that adults should have a choice, and I have seen no indication that this disease spreads when standard health care protocols are followed.

Chickenhawk wrote:

the good of the many takes precedent over the good of the few (or one).

Those worried about getting the disease can get the vaccine. Then they don't have to worry about the good of the few (or one).

So should the government make the vaccine available to everyone?

Tallgeese wrote:

So should the government make the vaccine available to everyone?

Everyone who wants it, yes.
California has done this before, I remember a few years back everyone who wanted flu vaccine could get it at numerous places (pharmacies mostly). But then they started to run out, so they asked that those who weren't in high risk groups not get it (at least from the free places).

Works quite well, and I think it is a good idea.

There were a few deaths if I recall from people standing in line in very hot weather, so they hopefully can do something about that.

ScifiterX wrote:

I'd worry about getting the disease from the vaccine myself.

Because you worry more about something that is several times less likely than the alternative?

danielb0101 wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

resedit wrote:

Interesting -


http://heartspring.net/flu_shot_side_effects.html

So your source is implying that the handful of cases 'caused' by a vaccine outweigh the huge number prevented.

HURRRRR

Makes sense to me. I, for one, will not be getting a swine flu (err, H1N1) vaccine thanks to the doctors on this board. I'm horrified there has been no advancement in vaccination or other healthcare in 30 years.

I don't agree with it being mandatory, but I will be first in line to receive the (gasp!) live-virus intranasal vaccine. I take care of a number of children with chronic lung disease, and I certainly don't want to be responsible for giving any of them H1N1 flu.

Regarding polio vaccine, the live-virus oral polio vaccine was taken off the market in the US in 2000. Only the injectable, killed virus form is available now. There has only been one case of polio in the US since 1999, in an unimmunized adult who contracted polio while visiting Costa Rica.

EDIT: I already received the seasonal flu shot last week, BTW. No adverse effects other than a sore deltoid.

Last edited by DevoDoc (2009-09-30 12:56 am)

resedit wrote:

Is there any evidence that this flu spreads through health care workers when standard precautions are taken?

Not sure, but there's plenty of evidence that health care workers don't follow standard precautions.