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#1 2009-09-30 1:56 am
Battle Hymn of the Republic
The song was frequently sung by the Union during the civil war.
I just found out the way I learned the song was wrong, a modification.
"As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free"
That's the way I've always learned it. Today on TV someone said it differently, so I looked it up, and sure enough - the original lyrics were:
"As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free"
Puts a new perspective on Iraq - many here do not disagree that Iraqi citizens were living under a tyrant, but didn't think that our blood should be spilled to save them.
The Battle Hymn of the Republic, in it's original form, however shows that the historic attitude of the United States was quite different.
I'm going to insist on singing it the way it was written when I sing it again in the future.
More than words.
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#4 2009-09-30 4:56 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
I think the civil war was a mistake too.
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#5 2009-09-30 6:58 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
mackerm wrote:
mumble mumble original Pledge of Allegiance mumble mumble
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#6 2009-09-30 7:23 am
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Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#7 2009-09-30 7:25 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
I think Resedit should stick with WMD, and their nefarious transit to Syria, as his casus belli rather than song lyrics promoting martyrdom. It's an easier sell.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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#8 2009-09-30 8:46 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
What sort of California Liberalist upbringing did you have, that you learned the wrong lyrics to The Battle Hymn Of The Republic? Were you shielded from the reality of death in war? Did your Sunday School teacher think "let us die" was too violent?
I live in The South, and I learned the correct lyrics!
Admit it Res. Your entire life, everything you knew to be the truth was a lie!
When you've reconciled with reality, let us know. We'll send you an Obama car magnet.
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#9 2009-09-30 8:50 am
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Yeah. Um. Here's the thing. Iraq was based on a whole pack o' lies. We didn't go there to free Iraqis. If the goal is to free people from oppressive governments then a) regime change begins at home and b) there is a rather long list of dictators around the globe and Hussein ranks maybe in the upper half. But we won't fight and die for those people because they're not sitting on a huge amount of oil.
But it's cute that you think we went to war in Iraq for the good of the Iraqi people. I guess the people in Darfur and Zimbabwe (indeed much of Africa) aren't as deserving? Or should we "liberate" them too?
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#10 2009-09-30 9:01 am
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The rationale was a whole menu of choices, depending on what was the flog of the day. All of 'em FUD.
What's real is blood on the ground and money down the tubes.
Talk about a conspiracy theory....read PNAC.
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#11 2009-09-30 9:12 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
I'm sure the Iraqis would love to think that the war brought to their shores was inspired by a song extolling the glory of Christ.
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#12 2009-09-30 9:44 am
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Well, now that the Battle Hymn of the Reuplic says nation building is OK, I am all for it. 
When should we invade all the other countries with evil tyrants?
Why did Iraq end up at the top of the list? There were certainly other more worthy candidates.
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#13 2009-09-30 9:56 am
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It's not a manifesto, it's not national policy, it's just a smurfing song.
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#14 2009-09-30 9:59 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
robco wrote:
Yeah. Um. Here's the thing. Iraq was based on a whole pack o' lies. We didn't go there to free Iraqis. If the goal is to free people from oppressive governments then a) regime change begins at home and b) there is a rather long list of dictators around the globe and Hussein ranks maybe in the upper half. But we won't fight and die for those people because they're not sitting on a huge amount of oil.
But it's cute that you think we went to war in Iraq for the good of the Iraqi people. I guess the people in Darfur and Zimbabwe (indeed much of Africa) aren't as deserving? Or should we "liberate" them too?
You forgot Cubaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !
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#15 2009-09-30 10:19 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
I've come to tell the story
of the burning of the school.
We have tortured every teacher.
We have broken every rule.
We plan to hang the principal
tomorrow after school.
At last we will be free.
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
I met her in the attic
with a fully automatic
and she ain't my teacher no more.
That's the way I learned it. Is that not the original lyrics?
I was thinking as I was typing this, if kids sang those lyrics these days they'd be suspended until they had a psychological evaluation.
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#16 2009-09-30 10:22 am
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I'm sure the 9/11 terrorists thought their deaths were liberating people too.
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#17 2009-09-30 10:46 am
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On to Riyadh!
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#18 2009-09-30 10:48 am
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Forget another Middle East mess....Cuba is RIGHT THERE. Very short supply lines. Easier to control its border. Plus we'd be fighting COMMIES !
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#19 2009-09-30 11:07 am
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DukeofNuke wrote:
What sort of California Liberalist upbringing did you have, that you learned the wrong lyrics to The Battle Hymn Of The Republic?
That's just the way it was sung in my Church.
I suppose during a time of non war, it makes sense, but 
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#20 2009-09-30 11:08 am
Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
DevoDoc wrote:
I've come to tell the story
of the burning of the school.
We have tortured every teacher.
We have broken every rule.
We plan to hang the principal
tomorrow after school.
At last we will be free.
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
I met her in the attic
with a fully automatic
and she ain't my teacher no more.That's the way I learned it. Is that not the original lyrics?
I was thinking as I was typing this, if kids sang those lyrics these days they'd be suspended until they had a psychological evaluation.
No.
Original is:
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
So I blew her out the door
with a Magnum 44
and she ain't my teacher no more.
In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
-- Steve Taylor
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#21 2009-09-30 11:18 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
resedit wrote:
DevoDoc wrote:
I've come to tell the story
of the burning of the school.
We have tortured every teacher.
We have broken every rule.
We plan to hang the principal
tomorrow after school.
At last we will be free.
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
I met her in the attic
with a fully automatic
and she ain't my teacher no more.That's the way I learned it. Is that not the original lyrics?
I was thinking as I was typing this, if kids sang those lyrics these days they'd be suspended until they had a psychological evaluation.No.
Original is:
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
So I blew her out the door
with a Magnum 44
and she ain't my teacher no more.
Oh, I get it. You went to Reform school.
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#22 2009-09-30 11:26 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
resedit wrote:
The Battle Hymn of the Republic, in it's original form, however shows that the historic attitude of the United States was quite different.
Why do you continue to think the Founders and the "historic attitude of the United States" has intrinsic value ? Many, many ideas and actions of "the Founders" were immoral and unethical, and the "historic attitude of the United States" includes all kinds of vile things.
They weren't superhuman saints with superior logic to make laws that would work forever.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#23 2009-09-30 11:31 am
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JakeTheTall wrote:
resedit wrote:
The Battle Hymn of the Republic, in it's original form, however shows that the historic attitude of the United States was quite different.
Why do you continue to think the Founders and the "historic attitude of the United States" has intrinsic value ? Many, many ideas and actions of "the Founders" were immoral and unethical, and the "historic attitude of the United States" includes all kinds of vile things.
They weren't superhuman saints with superior logic to make laws that would work forever.
This particular aspect I do admire.
They believed it was a good thing to sacrifice their own lives if necessary to ensure the freedom of others.
That's extremely self-less. Opposed to selfish, where you only care about your own rights and the rest of the world can just continue living in the hell they live in.
In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#24 2009-09-30 11:33 am
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btw - during Bush, the left argued that we should have stayed out of Iraq and sent more troops to Afghanistan.
That argument actually has a lot of merit to it.
But now that the left is in control, they are reluctant to send troop to Afghanistan that the general on the ground there is specifically requesting. I don't understand it.
In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#25 2009-09-30 11:43 am
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Re: Battle Hymn of the Republic
resedit wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
resedit wrote:
The Battle Hymn of the Republic, in it's original form, however shows that the historic attitude of the United States was quite different.
Why do you continue to think the Founders and the "historic attitude of the United States" has intrinsic value ? Many, many ideas and actions of "the Founders" were immoral and unethical, and the "historic attitude of the United States" includes all kinds of vile things.
They weren't superhuman saints with superior logic to make laws that would work forever.This particular aspect I do admire.
They believed it was a good thing to sacrifice their own lives if necessary to ensure the freedom of others.
That's extremely self-less. Opposed to selfish, where you only care about your own rights and the rest of the world can just continue living in the hell they live in.
You're basing this off a song ? Or the long duration of documented isolationist policies ?
Plus President Bush's support of dictators that were allied with us show selfish pragmatism.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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