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#1 2009-10-07 9:34 pm

Tallgeese
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Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Franken passes Defense appropriations amendment over 30 all-Republican no votes

None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this [appropriations bill] may be used for any existing or new Federal contract if the contractor or a subcontractor at any tier requires that an employee or independent contractor, as a condition of employment, sign a contract that mandates that the employee or independent contractor performing work under the contract or subcontract resolve through arbitration any claim under title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or any tort related to or arising out of sexual assault or harassment, including assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention.

Remember when a bunch of KBR guys gang raped a KBR employee and she couldn't sue because of an arbitration clause in her contract?
Republicans like that sort of thing happening, apparently.

Also,
ACORN


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#2 2009-10-07 9:53 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Tallgeese wrote:

Also,
ACORN

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#3 2009-10-07 9:57 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Every Republican who voted against this voted to cut funds to ACORN.

Just in case anyone needed to know what Republican values are.


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#4 2009-10-07 9:59 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

There's no rich straight white man involved, so why did you expect otherwise?

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#5 2009-10-07 10:01 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Are you sure the republicans voted against it for the reasons you think they did?


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#6 2009-10-07 10:02 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

YES

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#7 2009-10-07 10:07 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Franken's words seemed kind of vague to me.
"certain claims"

What the heck does that mean?


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#8 2009-10-07 10:15 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

This is what he means:

The constitution gives everybody the right to due process of law … And today, defense contractors are using fine print in their contracts do deny women like Jamie Leigh Jones their day in court. … The victims of rape and discrimination deserve their day in court [and] Congress plainly has the constitutional power to make that happen.


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#9 2009-10-07 10:20 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

I bet ACORN helped get Franken elected.

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#10 2009-10-07 10:27 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

resedit wrote:

Franken's words seemed kind of vague to me.
"certain claims"

What the heck does that mean?

The text of the amendment does not include "certain claims."  That is the title of the amendment.  The text specifies exactly what claims:

Sec. 8104. (a) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used for any existing or new Federal contract if the contractor or a subcontractor at any tier requires that an employee or independent contractor, as a condition of employment, sign a contract that mandates that the employee or independent contractor performing work under the contract or subcontract resolve through arbitration any claim under title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or any tort related to or arising out of sexual assault or harassment, including assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention.



So surely you now agree that this is a proper amendment?

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#11 2009-10-07 10:28 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

The wording though covers far more than just cases of sexual assault, does it not?

So Franken used a trajedy that shouldn't have happened to push something through that goes far beyond protection against the specific problem that is outrageous.

Why not address what is outrageous?


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#12 2009-10-07 10:29 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Why do you like rape?

Edit: Sorry, I mean "Why do you like rape, assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention"?

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#13 2009-10-07 10:30 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

That wording goes well beyond just sexual assault.

title VII of the Civil Rights Act was not about sex crimes.


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#14 2009-10-07 10:30 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Tallgeese wrote:

Why do you like rape?

Or sexual harassment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, assault and battery, false imprisonment, and negligent hiring/retention/training?

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#15 2009-10-07 10:30 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Tallgeese wrote:

Why do you like rape?

Because your mother said no.


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#16 2009-10-07 10:31 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

resedit wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Why do you like rape?

Because your mother said no.

lol

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#17 2009-10-07 10:31 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

I notice that rape is a joke to you.

Which is fitting, because your double standard on government funding is also a joke.


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#18 2009-10-07 10:33 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Tallgeese wrote:

I notice that rape is a joke to you.

Which is fitting, because your double standard on government funding is also a joke.

No - it's not a joke.
You made a ridiculous offensive comment so I returned one.


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#19 2009-10-07 10:34 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

http://sickshoplife.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lincoln20rape.jpg


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#20 2009-10-07 10:34 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Oh yeah! Rape's so funny. Until you've been raped. You're about to find out what that's like, Handbanana.


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#21 2009-10-07 10:36 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

It should also of course be pointed out that no fine print relieves employees of criminal prosecution.


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#22 2009-10-07 10:37 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

I also note that given many opportunities to condemn Halliburton/KBR's and Blackwater's rape, murder, prostitution, and various other crimes and indiscretions you choose instead to mumble noncommittal thoughts and wonder why the Democrats are so mean.

Whereas you blow your top over a fake pimp getting legal advice from ACORN.

Which must mean that you care less about real rape than about fake pimps.

Which is not surprising, given your affiliation with a party that thinks criticizing Bush is un-American but selling weapons to Iran is fine.


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#23 2009-10-07 10:37 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

resedit wrote:

It should also of course be pointed out that no fine print relieves employees of criminal prosecution.

That is true, but criminal prosecution is about retribution and vindicating the society's interest in not having the rape/sexual assault occur.  Civil liability through the court system is designed to vindicate the INDIVIDUAL victim's right to be free from the rape/sexual assault.

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#24 2009-10-07 10:39 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

resedit wrote:

It should also of course be pointed out that no fine print relieves employees of criminal prosecution.

Actually, the government has given the civilian contractors immunity from prosecution in Iraq, and has chosen not to prosecute them in American courts.


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#25 2009-10-07 10:42 pm

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Re: Why don't Republicans care about rape victims?

Tallgeese wrote:

resedit wrote:

It should also of course be pointed out that no fine print relieves employees of criminal prosecution.

Actually, the government has given the civilian contractors immunity from prosecution in Iraq, and has chosen not to prosecute them in American courts.

Arbitration clauses just complete the square, as it were.


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