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#26 2009-10-20 4:16 pm
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Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
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I can't imagine that, being on a highway, they kept at it and went off the road into in an embankment.
Especially if there was a cop on the scene, I'd flip on the lights and start slowly grinding them into the median until it could be t'd in, and then extract them from the car.
I guess there's no telling based on the traffic congestion, but I'd hope that people in front would have enough sense to make their way right with a cop side-by-siding with a car in the median.
The "cop on the scene" was the driver of the out-of-control car, off-duty with his family in said car.
And as to why he didn't try something like grinding the median wall: people sometimes do weird things when they panic, and it sounded like he didn't have very much time to implement such a plan of action.
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#27 2009-10-20 4:34 pm
Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
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Res: Lift the drive wheels? How? Disconnect the drive shaft while towing? How are you going move, much less tow anything, if your drive shaft is disconnected?
I'm speaking of the vehicle being towed, not the one doing the towing.
As far as dis-connecting the drive shaft, it isn't difficult on older RWD vehicles - but that's why most tow companies use flat beds now, to avoid any liability issues related to disconnecting the drive shaft. To lift the drive wheels, with FWD cars it is easy - with RWD cars you have to tow it backwards which means you can't as easily hook up the cars break lights to yours.
I suspect that's why some put them in gear and just engage the clutch (not possible on automatic).
Proper term may be dissengage the clutch, whatever it is that happens when you step on the clutch.
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#28 2009-10-20 4:38 pm
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I've never seen a tow truck operator take the time to connect the car's brake lights to his truck. I'm guessing that would be a lot of trouble with modern cars.
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#29 2009-10-20 4:41 pm
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http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article. … tid=435052
Interesting article on the complexity of modern day towing.
It all comes down to the same principle - if the drive wheels are contacting pavement, then there are moving parts that may not be getting proper lubrication.
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#30 2009-10-20 4:43 pm
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I've never seen a tow truck operator take the time to connect the car's brake lights to his truck. I'm guessing that would be a lot of trouble with modern cars.
Tow truck drivers usually put their own flashing lights on the back, but usually there is a male/female wire connector you can disconnect and connect to your own light system. At least their use to be.
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#31 2009-10-20 4:56 pm
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Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
D'Eyncourt wrote:
Anonymous Delivers! wrote:
I can't imagine that, being on a highway, they kept at it and went off the road into in an embankment.
Especially if there was a cop on the scene, I'd flip on the lights and start slowly grinding them into the median until it could be t'd in, and then extract them from the car.
I guess there's no telling based on the traffic congestion, but I'd hope that people in front would have enough sense to make their way right with a cop side-by-siding with a car in the median.The "cop on the scene" was the driver of the out-of-control car, off-duty with his family in said car.
SHH I'm trying to blame law enforcement here somehow you killjoy
[reading comprehension for the fail]
And as to why he didn't try something like grinding the median wall: people sometimes do weird things when they panic, and it sounded like he didn't have very much time to implement such a plan of action.
But he had time enough to call 911.
That's the reason why I was confused.
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#32 2009-10-20 5:18 pm
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Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
Anonymous Delivers! wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
Anonymous Delivers! wrote:
I can't imagine that, being on a highway, they kept at it and went off the road into in an embankment.
Especially if there was a cop on the scene, I'd flip on the lights and start slowly grinding them into the median until it could be t'd in, and then extract them from the car.
I guess there's no telling based on the traffic congestion, but I'd hope that people in front would have enough sense to make their way right with a cop side-by-siding with a car in the median.The "cop on the scene" was the driver of the out-of-control car, off-duty with his family in said car.
SHH I'm trying to blame law enforcement here somehow you killjoy
[reading comprehension for the fail]And as to why he didn't try something like grinding the median wall: people sometimes do weird things when they panic, and it sounded like he didn't have very much time to implement such a plan of action.
But he had time enough to call 911.
That's the reason why I was confused.
This also confused me. He was on the phone for 50 seconds. Assuming it took him a few seconds to realize he was in trouble, dial 911, and get an operator; he probably had a total of 120 seconds. That is a ridiculously long time.
There is the fact that witnesses report flames coming from under the hood. There is a chance he was looking for a safe place on the side of the road to pull over, and let everyone out of the car. Stopping in the emergency lane with a car fire is dicey at best, especially if the drivers behind you don't realize what is happening.
I actually saw this scenario play out once in DC. A white Camry caught on fire, and the driver ended up going a few hundred yards before he could get over and stop in the emergency lane. Fortunately, everyone appeared to get out of the car. I was in the far lane, and going fairly fast, so I don't know how it turned out.
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#33 2009-10-20 6:30 pm
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resedit wrote:
I suspect that's why some put them in gear and just engage the clutch (not possible on automatic).
Proper term may be dissengage the clutch, whatever it is that happens when you step on the clutch.
Yeah, it's counterintuitive. By stepping on the clutch petal, you are disengaging the clutch from the transmission. You could even say that you're engaging the pedal to disengate the clutch.
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#34 2009-10-20 6:42 pm
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My car will occasionally (once a month or so) decide to keep its engine running fast. It's "natural" speed in this condition is about 35 mph, so I have to spend most of the ride to work with my foot on the brake pedal.
Drop it into neutral and it (slowly) revs right up to 4500 rpm or so. Turn the car off, let it sit a while, turn it on again, and it's back to normal.
I'm not convinced the floor mat isn't snagging something, and if that's not it, it's probably just a sticky throttle cable. But still, kinda freaky.
Clean your Idle Air Controller (aka IAC). They get carbon on them and can stick, causing your engine to run too fast or too slow at idle. You can buy Throttle Body Cleaner at the parts store, but if you don't feel comfortable wrenching on your car, take it to a trusted mechanic and ask him about it.
As for blowing up your engine by putting it into neutral, the rev-limiter (aka governor) will kick in before the engine blows if it is in neutral or park. My sister's Neon would kick in around 3500 RPM in park and neutral. In gear it was around 5500 RPM. I haven't tried it in my Jeeps yet to know where they are at.
Whatever you do, DO NOT remove the key from the ignition when driving. Even if your engine stays running, there is a lock to prevent the steering wheel from turning that will be engaged, making maneuvering impossible. You could careen out of control and have a serious accident.
If your car starts racing out of control, slip the gear selector into neutral and steer it off to the side of the road. Once you are stopped, shut off the engine. Don't worry about the engine blowing up. Its not worth your life.
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#35 2009-10-20 6:59 pm
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Whatever you do, DO NOT remove the key from the ignition when driving. Even if your engine stays running, there is a lock to prevent the steering wheel from turning that will be engaged, making maneuvering impossible. You could careen out of control and have a serious accident
Yes - in our drivers ed class way back when, they told us that. Some mothers would tell their daughters to grab the guys keys if he started to get fresh, and after power steering and ignition locks, there were several deaths that resulted from just that.
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#36 2009-10-20 7:10 pm
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I wonder what Bren would have done in that situation if he were under the influence of meth.
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#37 2009-10-20 11:10 pm
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Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
It was a passenger in the car that made the 911 call.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#38 2009-10-21 12:51 am
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Re: New Toyota's a 'runaway' success
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Orion wrote:
Whatever you do, DO NOT remove the key from the ignition when driving. Even if your engine stays running, there is a lock to prevent the steering wheel from turning that will be engaged, making maneuvering impossible. You could careen out of control and have a serious accident
Yes - in our drivers ed class way back when, they told us that. Some mothers would tell their daughters to grab the guys keys if he started to get fresh, and after power steering and ignition locks, there were several deaths that resulted from just that.
Isn't that the equivalent of pushing the "stop" button in an elevator? Seems silly, road danger notwithstanding.
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#39 2009-10-21 2:44 am
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Just how "fresh" can a guy be getting if they're traveling down the road and he's driving?
Gd, I don't know the answer to your question, 'cause that situation never came up while I was on meth. I expect I would have done the same thing regardless of whether I was on drugs.
The really shameful, frightening thing is that there were a few occasions when I'd be driving, and hadn't slept in a few days, and I'd suddenly realize MY EYES WERE CLOSED!
It's really not a good idea to nod off while driving a car. If I ever complain to God that He, She, or It never does me any favors, I'm sure He'll remind me about the numerous He prevented me from killing anybody.
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#40 2009-10-21 8:50 am
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Thing about this runaway car subject.. if you buy a Mercedes, BMW, or Volvo (newer models) you have the option to have a auto stop installed or brought with it already installed.
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#41 2009-10-21 1:55 pm
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Anonymous Delivers! wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
The "cop on the scene" was the driver of the out-of-control car, off-duty with his family in said car.
SHH I'm trying to blame law enforcement here somehow you killjoy
[reading comprehension for the fail]And as to why he didn't try something like grinding the median wall: people sometimes do weird things when they panic, and it sounded like he didn't have very much time to implement such a plan of action.
But he had time enough to call 911.
That's the reason why I was confused.This also confused me. He was on the phone for 50 seconds. Assuming it took him a few seconds to realize he was in trouble, dial 911, and get an operator; he probably had a total of 120 seconds. That is a ridiculously long time.
There is the fact that witnesses report flames coming from under the hood. There is a chance he was looking for a safe place on the side of the road to pull over, and let everyone out of the car. Stopping in the emergency lane with a car fire is dicey at best, especially if the drivers behind you don't realize what is happening.
I actually saw this scenario play out once in DC. A white Camry caught on fire, and the driver ended up going a few hundred yards before he could get over and stop in the emergency lane. Fortunately, everyone appeared to get out of the car. I was in the far lane, and going fairly fast, so I don't know how it turned out.
Now having listened to the 911 call via the YouTube link, I'll correct what I wrote above: the cop was not the driver.
Sorry, but there are people who have been in a continued state of panic since 9/11/01 and the past 8 years is a testiment to what people will do in such a state. That someone wasn't able to do something constructive in maybe 2 minutes is not surprising.
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