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Levada's a tool. He used to be the Archbishop of SF.

Last edited by robco (2009-10-20 3:05 pm)

Speaking as a Christian, earthly Churches are just that, earthly and prone to being stupid and petty.  Churches that claim to be the "true" church are full of smurf.  That's my major beef with the Catholic Church.

The UUs.

mo' ron wrote:

jkahless wrote:

Speaking as a Christian, earthly Churches are just that, earthly and prone to being stupid and petty.  Churches that claim to be the "true" church are full of smurf.  That's my major beef with the Catholic Church.

What church doesn't claim to be the "true" church?

Some of the protestant ones.  The orthodox churches and the catholic church are heavily into things like apostolic succession and the validity of sacraments, and they have varying levels of crossover as to what they consider to be "valid" in other churches.  For example, according to the RCC I haven't been baptised because my Priest isn't a real Priest because he wasn't properly ordained.  Way I see it, they can easily focus far too much into the letter of the law and their dogma, and lose sight of the Message of Christianity.  It was the same way in Bliblical times, Jesus didn't give a damn about all the nitty gritty rules of the Pharisees when they got in the way of love and compassion.

jkahless wrote:

Way I see it, they can easily focus far too much into the letter of the law and their dogma, and lose sight of the Message of Christianity.  It was the same way in Bliblical times, Jesus didn't give a damn about all the nitty gritty rules of the Pharisees when they got in the way of love and compassion.

They may get the Anglicans - who lets' face it, aren't exactly extremely religious, but they'll never get the Fundies who think the Pope is the Antichrist. Then again, the fundies are mostly a problem in the US and maybe Australia. Fortunately they haven't taken hold in the rest of the world.

Perhaps the RC church should just relocate to Latin America. They're the only ones who seem to give a damn about the Vatican anymore.

So who's left? More Crusades to convert the heathen Muslims?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

No, Latin America is steadily turning its back on the Church.

Ya, USA style evangelicals have been very busy down south. Not an improvement IMHO.

Henry VIII, it's payback time!

Jokotai wrote:

jkahless wrote:

mo' ron wrote:

What church doesn't claim to be the "true" church?

Some of the protestant ones.

See, this is the religiosity that really upsets me.  While the idea is subdued among protestant churches, the entire reason that there is a host of different denominations is because they can't agree on the "correct" way to do things.  The only reason I can see that the protestant churches don't have animosity towards one another is that the issues are much smaller.  Baptists don't condone dancing, while you can't go to an A/G without seeing somebody skipping through the aisles. 

I absolutely agree, protestants and evangelicals aren't nearly as bad about it as older churches are, but the entire existence of schisms over different interpretations encourages religion over spirituality.

jkahless wrote:

For example, according to the RCC I haven't been baptised because my Priest isn't a real Priest because he wasn't properly ordained.

That's a bit of an exaggeration.  You haven't been baptised into Catholicism, which is only one step of several rites that brings a person into full membership of the Catholic church.  While there are fanatical RCC thinkers who will quickly say that all other denominations are wrong and not Christian, there are other Catholic communities who don't see it this way.

jkahless wrote:

Way I see it, they can easily focus far too much into the letter of the law and their dogma, and lose sight of the Message of Christianity.  It was the same way in Bliblical times, Jesus didn't give a damn about all the nitty gritty rules of the Pharisees when they got in the way of love and compassion.

I think this goes for several denominations.

Definitely, on most points.  The protestant churches sure ain't innocent of this, I've just had personal experiance with a girl who was Roman Catholic, so it's the first example that springs to mind.  And what I said was correct, the Catholic church does not consider my baptism to be theologically valid, period.  It's because Anglican Priests and Bishops don't hold a direct line of succession from Paul according to the Catholic Church.  Mind you, the Anglican church teaches apostolic succession too, which is a totally bollocks idea, that the lineage of your Priest's order matters more than what's in your heart.  Not all Catholics are that rigid minded, but it's the official word on the matter.  Doesn't bother me so much, the only reason I'm baptised an Anglican is because that's what church I go to and I like the liturgy.  Denominations are just as earthly as any other flawed work of man, and even though I was baptised an Anglican, I consider myself a Christian who just usually worships at an Anglican church. 

Sorry, that was a bit rambly, but I'm rather tired and need to sleep.

sturner wrote:

Henry VIII, it's payback time!

Oh dears. If the line of succession is reckoned from the rightful queen, Catherine Restored- what will become of the Commonwealth?

jkahless wrote:

It's because Anglican Priests and Bishops don't hold a direct line of succession from Paul according to the Catholic Church..

Peter is the important one, though there were twelve apostles.