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#1 2009-10-23 8:06 am

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Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.examiner.com/x-22564-Des-Moi … t-Fox-News

Obama administration tried to flush the first, fourteenth, possibly fifth, and maybe other amendments down the toilet by telling Fox they couldn't participate in the participate in the interview of yet another czar.

You still think things don't look like 1930's Germany?
Looking more and more like it to me.

Whoever in the administration made that decision needs to step down or be fired.


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#2 2009-10-23 8:17 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

That might be true if Fox News was a legitimate member of the press.
But, they are an arm of the GOP.

Then again I don't think you have any grasp about 1930s Germany at all.


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#3 2009-10-23 9:03 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Yes, this is SO much more Constitutionally disturbing than wiretaps and the Patriot Act.


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#4 2009-10-23 9:06 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

iSeamas wrote:

But, they are an arm of the GOP.

Oh, you think so?  Can't imagine what would give anyone that idea.

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#5 2009-10-23 9:34 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Considering that Fox News has a history of taking footage from press conferences and using creative editing to misquote the speaker, I can't fault the White House for not giving them a return invite.

I don't mind that Fox News is conservatively biased, but to be billed as a news source, they should try doing some actual investigative reporting instead of... y'know... making things up.

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#6 2009-10-23 10:04 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

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#7 2009-10-23 10:08 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

I don't see that as anything even close to a Constitutional Crisis.


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#8 2009-10-23 10:09 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

bedstuy wrote:

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

I dunno, but I suspect that at least 33% of Fox "news" viewers still think the Earth is flat, the Pope is infallible, and Reagan was right about Tinkle down economics. wink

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#9 2009-10-23 10:35 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Does everyone who calls themselves a reporter get White House access? No?

Gee, what a crisis!


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#10 2009-10-23 10:54 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

bedstuy wrote:

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Actually we did - fairly early on when the inspectors were still there. They weren't usable in the state they were in, the were old and defunct but they were there.

Note to KHannon - notice the lack of any supporting documentation for his point?

I've not seen that stat myself, don't really care, but if you are going to be critical when I don't cite a source, take a look around.


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#11 2009-10-23 10:57 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

sheesh

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#12 2009-10-23 10:59 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

resedit wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Actually we did - fairly early on when the inspectors were still there. They weren't usable in the state they were in, the were old and defunct but they were there.

Note to KHannon - notice the lack of any supporting documentation for his point?

I've not seen that stat myself, don't really care, but if you are going to be critical when I don't cite a source, take a look around.

The rest went to Syria, right?


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#13 2009-10-23 11:00 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Tallgeese wrote:

Does everyone who calls themselves a reporter get White House access? No?

Gee, what a crisis!

Fox News has been a proper member of the white house press core since '97 I believe and they still are a member of the white house press core, and there is loads of case history in their favor on this issue - and it isn't only Fox reporting on the case history that demonstrates the big fat white house blunder.

Take a wild guess why the other networks refused to participate if Fox was excluded.
It's the same reason I get my panties in a wad when some religious whacko who doesn't believe in medicine is told to get a vaccination or lose their job.

They understand the importance of freedom of the press, and if the white house gets away with excluding Fox because they don't like how Fox reports - they don't really have freedom of the press themselves, because they could have their access denied if the white house decides they don't like what they are saying.

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#14 2009-10-23 11:18 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Please cite the loads of case history that says if a news organization falsely reports items, they have to be invited back.


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#15 2009-10-23 11:28 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

NEWS FLASH: White House doesn't send advisor candidate to interview with cable channel that has declared war on White House advisors!


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#16 2009-10-23 11:33 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Fox News has been caught reporting bold-faced lies on countless occasions. This is well-documented. These lies are always directed at slandering the Democratic Party. The White House is under no obligation to extend invitations to an organization that goes out of their way to distort and misrepresent the facts.

If I invited Tallgeese over to my house and he went out of his way to tell me that my food sucks and that my wife is a whore, why would I ask him over again and again?

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#17 2009-10-23 11:37 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

Sternum wrote:

If I invited Tallgeese over to my house and he went out of his way to tell me that my food sucks and that my wife is a whore, why would I ask him over again and again?

Depends on if it's that kind of role play or not.


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#18 2009-10-23 11:39 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

resedit wrote:

Take a wild guess why the other networks refused to participate if Fox was excluded.

Because if they let one member of their profession be delegitimized and excluded (even if it is for valid reasons) it sets up a precedent where which they may be delegitimized and excluded (possibly even for petty and/or political reasons).

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#19 2009-10-23 11:41 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

resedit wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Actually we did - fairly early on when the inspectors were still there. They weren't usable in the state they were in, the were old and defunct but they were there.

Note to KHannon - notice the lack of any supporting documentation for his point?

I've not seen that stat myself, don't really care, but if you are going to be critical when I don't cite a source, take a look around.

So, unusable weapons are justification for going to war?
I thought Powell said that the weapons could be fired "at a moments notice".

I still find no parallel to Nazi Germany


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#20 2009-10-23 11:47 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

DukeofNuke wrote:

resedit wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Do 33% of Fox News viewers still believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Actually we did - fairly early on when the inspectors were still there. They weren't usable in the state they were in, the were old and defunct but they were there.

Note to KHannon - notice the lack of any supporting documentation for his point?

I've not seen that stat myself, don't really care, but if you are going to be critical when I don't cite a source, take a look around.

So, unusable weapons are justification for going to war?
I thought Powell said that the weapons could be fired "at a moments notice".

I still find no parallel to Nazi Germany

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#21 2009-10-23 11:52 am

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

"That does it, I'm giving a speech!"

oh yeah?

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#22 2009-10-23 12:05 pm

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

resedit wrote:

I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.examiner.com/x-22564-Des-Moi … t-Fox-News

Obama administration tried to flush the first, fourteenth, possibly fifth, and maybe other amendments down the toilet by telling Fox they couldn't participate in the participate in the interview of yet another czar.

You still think things don't look like 1930's Germany?
Looking more and more like it to me.

Whoever in the administration made that decision needs to step down or be fired.

There are some things you need to keep in mind, res.

1. Presidents have, for at least a century, routinely shut out reporters and news organizations they consider to be extremely hostile. For instance, in the 30s I seem to recall that FDR wouldn't talk to the Chicago Tribune, because its publisher was not only viciously hostile to everything FDR did, but was really cozy with the frequently pro-Nazi isolationist movement.

2. Other presidents I can think of who did this are JFK, LBJ and Nixon. I'm pretty sure Reagan did it too.

3. There's absolutely no constitutional requirement that anyone in America, including government officials, be forced to speak to the press whether they want to or not. Certainly no one in government is trying to stop Fox from saying whatever the hell it wants -- that would be in violation of the connie for sure.

4. If refusing to talk to the press constitutes a "constitutional crisis," then Dubya was the most illegitimate president in the history of America. He held almost no press conferences, almost no interviews -- and when he did, whenever possible they tried to only have pre-submitted, pre-approved questions from supportive reporters.

For example:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9858/ab9ce61a46d05f62074b.jpg


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#23 2009-10-23 12:08 pm

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

ScifiterX wrote:

resedit wrote:

Take a wild guess why the other networks refused to participate if Fox was excluded.

Because if they let one member of their profession be delegitimized and excluded (even if it is for valid reasons) it sets up a precedent where which they may be delegitimized and excluded (possibly even for petty and/or political reasons).

Exactly.
If they allow the white house to exclude one member because the white house doesn't like what they have to say, then they may find themselves in the same boat in future.

It is not the job of the white house to decide Fox isn't good enough. They are a member of the press core. It is an abuse of power for the white house to decide to exclude them, they do not have that authority and the courts have ruled they constitutionally don't in previous case law

"What it's really about to me is the Executive Branch of the government trying to tell the press how it should behave. I mean, this democracy -- we know this -- only works with a free and unfettered press to provide information," he said.

Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. said the administration was potentially in violation of the Constitution with its attempt to restrict access to the "eyes and ears" of the country.

"What was averted was a very serious constitutional violation by the White House," Johnson said. "There cannot be selective and arbitrary access to the White House based on some subjective determination."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10 … interview/

Previous case law examples were given on television, and surely will be repeated.


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#24 2009-10-23 12:09 pm

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#25 2009-10-23 12:10 pm

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Re: Constitutional Crisis nearly averted

CRISIS! CRISIS!

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