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#1 2009-10-25 1:20 am

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Chicken Little
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Jedediah Smith's Revenge

I can't call it Montezuma's revenge because I didn't get it in Méjico.

Sooner or later it was bound to get me - when I'm out in the woods, I often drink from creeks. Sure beats the hell out of carrying lots of water, and I often do 25+ miles in a day - drinking water is important but it is also heavy. I only do it away from civilization and only collect water from rapid fast moving well oxygenated parts.

A few nights ago - I did a long hike. It was worth it:

http://www.shastaherps.org/vouchers/203-1.jpg

http://www.shastaherps.org/vouchers/204-1.jpg

http://www.shastaherps.org/vouchers/206-1.jpg

but I ran low on water, so I refilled my bottle at a rapid moving creek, and now I'm paying for it dearly.
I definitely picked up some kind of microbe.

Years and years and years and never had a problem, why now ?? sadsadcry

Ah well - hopefully this means I'll develop an immunity to whatever this particular bug is.


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#2 2009-10-25 2:15 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

Iodine tabs. Learn to use them.

Its rather safe to say that all surface water in the US is probably infected with Giardia at least. If you plan on taking water from a stream, you should definitely carry iodine or a filter. You're rather lucky you've gone this far without contracting something.

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#3 2009-10-25 2:16 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

Why don't you cary a water filter?


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#4 2009-10-25 2:25 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

The way I've learned, the only safe place you can expect to drink untreated water w/o ill effects is right out of a spring.

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#5 2009-10-25 3:40 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

I don't like Iodine tablets. They make the water taste nasty.

Filter - maybe I should carry one.
Most of the compact ones are junk though and only work for solid material, don't really work for parasites.

If I don't get over the runs, I'll go see the doctor.

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#6 2009-10-25 3:43 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

That is a pretty toad, but...

Personally, I'd just as soon not have that microbe and do without the toad pic.

Anyway, 25 miles? You must be in great shape!

The only way I'm walking 25 feet is if pranksters move my refrigerator!


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#7 2009-10-25 4:48 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

I'm not in super shape, but I do have some endurance.
Farthest I went this year was 34 in a day, and I had to stop and take two naps. I also almost passed out, I got to Lake Shasta City and went into the market to get some food and beverage and suddenly became ill, almost threw up in the store but didn't, went to the park and almost threw up there and watched mothers ferry their kids away while I crashed under and oak tree and slept.

If I was in better shape (I am now than I was then) that wouldn't have happened. When I hear the distances soldiers are expected to hike with a pack full of supplies, I'm literally in awe. I think I'm too old at this point to do what that.

I'm going to be doing some good winterish hikes in November and Feb - got to find me some salamanders, and Redding is just too low in elevation (Coastal areas sallies go down to sea level, but there are none in the California Valley - except when coastal Ensatina's decide to migrate to Sierra's, which has happened recently - but they didn't leave any populations there), but I can bus to where I can hike to where I can find some.


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#8 2009-10-25 9:53 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

Always, always, always filter your water. The fact that you haven't gotten Jebediah Smith's Revenge up until now means you've been lucky.

Remember the immortal words of W.C. Fields, "Don't drink water, fish smurf in it."

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#9 2009-10-25 1:51 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

resedit wrote:

I'm not in super shape, but I do have some endurance.
Farthest I went this year was 34 in a day, and I had to stop and take two naps. I also almost passed out, I got to Lake Shasta City and went into the market to get some food and beverage and suddenly became ill, almost threw up in the store but didn't, went to the park and almost threw up there and watched mothers ferry their kids away while I crashed under and oak tree and slept.

If I was in better shape (I am now than I was then) that wouldn't have happened. When I hear the distances soldiers are expected to hike with a pack full of supplies, I'm literally in awe. I think I'm too old at this point to do what that.

I'm going to be doing some good winterish hikes in November and Feb - got to find me some salamanders, and Redding is just too low in elevation (Coastal areas sallies go down to sea level, but there are none in the California Valley - except when coastal Ensatina's decide to migrate to Sierra's, which has happened recently - but they didn't leave any populations there), but I can bus to where I can hike to where I can find some.

Get a Camel Back to carry water. I had one that could hold almost a gallon and a half and it was very comfortable.


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#10 2009-10-25 5:45 pm

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I use a little bottle that I fill with water tgat contains iodine crystals. They form a saturated solution, and depending on the temp I use so much of that solution to treat my water. Doesn't taste too bad, and sure beats beaver fever. And you definately can get filters that work on microbes. You can strain out that big bits with your mustache. wink


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#11 2009-10-25 5:50 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

resedit wrote:

I don't like Iodine tablets. They make the water taste nasty.

Seems like a small price to me. But I hate being sick.

If I don't get over the runs, I'll go see the doctor.

Remember to drink plenty of water so you don't get dehydrated. blush

Feel better soon.


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#12 2009-10-25 6:31 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

What I might try is iodine to sterilize, filter to remove some of the iodine, and flavoring to mask what is left.


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#13 2009-10-25 6:40 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

This filter looks pretty good, actually - I may buy one

http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Hiker-PRO … B0007U012U

Only complaints are that the filters clog easily in water with sediment. But that's not a worry for me, there are almost always flowing creeks where I go, and I do carry water if there aren't.


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#14 2009-10-25 8:39 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

Iodine. The breath of life. I've drunk water flavored with iodine so much, that when I don't taste it, it seems strange.


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#15 2009-10-25 8:42 pm

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resedit wrote:

What I might try is iodine to sterilize, filter to remove some of the iodine, and flavoring to mask what is left.

Something like these? I prefer the raspberry iced tea flavor, myself.


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#16 2009-10-25 9:19 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

When you are used to drinking water from a muddy footprint, iodine is very tasty!

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#17 2009-10-25 10:20 pm

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

sturner wrote:

Iodine. The breath of life. I've drunk water flavored with iodine so much, that when I don't taste it, it seems strange.

My mother is deathly allergic to it.
She can't have sea food, when they put her under at the hospital they have to use an alternative, etc.
She almost died once when the technician screwed up.

I'm not allergic though.


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#18 2009-10-26 6:03 am

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You should get a mountain bike so a 30 mile out and back is easy. You can get a decent one for about $500 anymore.

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#19 2009-10-26 6:45 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

I do use my hybrid to get out there sometimes - by hybrid I mean not really a street bike and not really a mountain bike. That's probably best for me, cause once I'm no loner on pavement I need to walk, as I need to be able to flip logs/rocks/etc on side of trail.


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#20 2009-10-26 8:45 am

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Re: Jedediah Smith's Revenge

I'd rather see a pic of the bug that got you and not the frog  big_smile

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#21 2009-10-26 12:42 pm

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Water filters have come a long ways through the years. The most recent models can get well below microbial sizes - about the only thing that they can't filter is viral stuff.

A combination of filter, with iodine, can turn just about anything short of stockyard runoff into safe water. Take something to flavor the water to hide the Iodine. I like Gatorade, because it helps restore electrolyte levels as well.

When I hiked a lot, I took two Nalgene bottles, full; my Pur scout, iodine tabs, and powdered Gatorade. If I ran low on water, I just pumped them full again, added iodine, and after a few minutes, the Gatorade. Never got sick. Note, you want water near the top, which is why most of filters have a foam-ringed particulate filter that floats on the surface.

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#22 2009-10-26 1:42 pm

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Wouldn't it make more sense (taste-wise) to add the iodine, then filter, then flavour?

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#23 2009-10-26 1:58 pm

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Some1 wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense (taste-wise) to add the iodine, then filter, then flavour?

Do you think there'd be any advantage to filtering twice? (Before and after the iodine treatment)

The more I think about it, I suppose there wouldn't be. At least assuming the filter is good enough to get what it's going to get the first time around, and assuming that the iodine will kill anything, no mater how much is there.

But my belt-and-suspenders hindbrain is telling me I would want to do it that way. shrug


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#24 2009-10-26 2:05 pm

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http://homepage.mac.com/macnuke/cup.jpg

filtered big_smile

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#25 2009-10-26 3:40 pm

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Some1 wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense (taste-wise) to add the iodine, then filter, then flavour?

Iodine will foul the filter if you don't flush it properly. While you certainly could do that, you would need to make sure you flushed it carefully after each use.

Also, the unit I have has an intake designed to be placed in the stream. The only way to do this with my filter would be to carry along another bucket or jar.

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