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#1 2009-10-28 12:50 pm

SomeOneOrOther
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Bladeless Fan

Oooooooh, think of the possibilities. I'm thinking of quieter laptops right off the bat.

Dyson's Bladeless Fan: Worth the Hefty Cost?
By Adi Narayan Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009

Dyson Inc.'s new bladeless electric fan resembles anything but a fan. The company calls it an "air multiplier." To the average sci-fi enthusiast, it looks like a miniature replica of a stargate — but, alas, this gadget does not create a wormhole that teleports people to distant worlds.
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In essence, the device works like a vacuum cleaner in reverse. The motor in the base of the fan sucks in air and pushes it up into the ring. The air rushes out of tiny, millimeter-long slots that run along the circular frame and flows down a gently sloping ramp. And as the air emerges from the ramp, it creates a circular low-pressure region that pulls in the air from behind — creating a fairly uniform flow of air through the ring.

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#2 2009-10-28 1:32 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

Does it work?

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#3 2009-10-28 2:17 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

Sounds like it does

"It's clearly a fan," said engineering student Sergei Bernstein, 18, placing his palm before the draft of cool air flowing from the circular frame.

I guess it works like an airfoil.


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#4 2009-10-28 2:57 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

It is not going to move near the volume of air that a blade will.


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#5 2009-10-28 3:22 pm

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So it is more of an aid than a solution or replacement technology.
Is that what you're saying?
hmm

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#6 2009-10-28 4:11 pm

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I'd give it a chance.  Aerodynamics is tricky business.  Until very recently, conventional applications of aerodynamics could not explain the tremendous lift generated by the honey bee's wings.  In theory, they shouldn't be able to fly with such short wings.  It turns out that the unusual mechanics of the bee's wing motion created a low-pressure vortex above the leading edge of the wings, generating the required amount of lift.

The point is that, there are times when conventional wisdom is turned on its head, and I think the ring fan is such a case.  Those who experienced the fan in action described a "fairly uniform flow of air through the ring."  Also nobody was quoted as saying it was weak --only that it was quiet.  I think there's a niche market of folks who would gladly fork over $330 for a quiet fan that moves as much air as a noisy conventional fan.  However, I don't think anybody would buy a fan that didn't work, and I don't think Dyson would waste marketing resources on a fan that didn't work.

One other thing.  Remember the ionic breeze air purifier?  It turned out to be a pretty terrible air purifier, but one thing it did do well, is move air without generating noise.  There's now a decent market of breeze clones, repurposed as silent fans.  Some companies are actively miniaturizing the technology for use in PC's, and handhelds.

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#7 2009-10-28 5:10 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

The motor in the base of the fan sucks in air and pushes it up into the ring.

Um, how does this motor do this?


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#8 2009-10-28 5:17 pm

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:sarcasm:
Magic.

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#9 2009-10-28 5:26 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

D'Eyncourt wrote:

The motor in the base of the fan sucks in air and pushes it up into the ring.

Um, how does this motor do this?

Ironically, with another ring fan.


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#10 2009-10-28 9:43 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

Mr. T wrote:

D'Eyncourt wrote:

The motor in the base of the fan sucks in air and pushes it up into the ring.

Um, how does this motor do this?

Ironically, with another ring fan.

Infinite fractals of ring fans.  As it moves closer to infinity, the air pressure approaches 0 inHg.

In other words, I have no idea if this is truly supposed to be a bladeless fan.


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#11 2009-10-29 11:55 am

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Re: Bladeless Fan

Jokotai wrote:

Mr. T wrote:

D'Eyncourt wrote:


Um, how does this motor do this?

Ironically, with another ring fan.

Infinite fractals of ring fans.  As it moves closer to infinity, the air pressure approaches 0 inHg.

In other words, I have no idea if this is truly supposed to be a bladeless fan.

Yep, an infinitely recursive series of ring fans.


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#12 2009-10-29 12:08 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

It does have a fan, it's just in the base.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/dyso … you-never/
Apparently this fan is not so quiet, it is rated at 64dBA which is not so different than regular fans but the airflow is also on par with regular fans.


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#13 2009-10-29 12:16 pm

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The article states that the bladeless fan produces as much noise as a cars airconditioner. That seems loud to me if compared to a cars ac when working at full speed. How big is the bladeless fan?

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#14 2009-10-29 12:57 pm

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gd wrote:

The article states that the bladeless fan produces as much noise as a cars airconditioner. That seems loud to me if compared to a cars ac when working at full speed. How big is the bladeless fan?

Daddyo's link has details: 10-inch and 12-inch models which are US$300 and $330 respectively.


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#15 2009-10-29 1:58 pm

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I sorta noticed when I decided to check his link. I should have checked it before I posted. Live and learn. Where can anyone go and personally check one out to see if it works as the articles say they do.
The fact that it has a fan inside the enclosed part of the device makes much more sense. I wonder if these bladeless fans will ever be able to produce more airflow than a conventional fan.

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#16 2009-11-01 2:12 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

Either it works better than a conventional fan or it doesn't. Maybe consumer reports will review the thing.

The chief advantage that I can see, other than safety, is that it's easier to clean-- just wipe down the the ring. With a conventional fan, the cage has to be disassembled, and the blades have to individually caressed. Since the first operation can be done and a whim, and the second cannot, the dyson is likely to be more consistently clean--provided that the primary air inlet remains dust free. Whether this translates into appreciably cleaner air remains to be seen.


The noise it makes is kind of annoying, though that may be an artifact of the recording setup.

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#17 2009-11-07 4:58 pm

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The fan got a satirical treatment over on Wonderella this week.


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#18 2009-11-07 6:01 pm

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Re: Bladeless Fan

jerwin wrote:

Either it works better than a conventional fan or it doesn't. Maybe consumer reports will review the thing.

The chief advantage that I can see, other than safety, is that it's easier to clean-- just wipe down the the ring. With a conventional fan, the cage has to be disassembled, and the blades have to individually caressed. Since the first operation can be done and a whim, and the second cannot, the dyson is likely to be more consistently clean--provided that the primary air inlet remains dust free. Whether this translates into appreciably cleaner air remains to be seen.


The noise it makes is kind of annoying, though that may be an artifact of the recording setup.

I believe it's supposed to be silent, or it makes less noise than conventional fans.

The thing is, it is too expensive. Not worth it.

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#19 2009-11-08 8:56 am

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Re: Bladeless Fan

There is a difference between pressure and volume. The ring increases the pressure as the air leaves the unit but the volume of air is limited by the size, design and speed of the actual fan in the base.


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