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#1 2009-11-05 1:26 pm
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Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26 … 01,00.html
"That there is a group within our society who give their children no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a talkback DJ.
"That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care."
The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our community would be considerable.
"There are too many people who should not have children."
Mr Laws said a report in New Zealand's Dominion-Post newspaper yesterday had incorrectly attributed the view to him that all those who got welfare should be sterilised.
Mr Laws wrote on the website "that most welfare beneficiaries are good parents" but it was the problem ones who should be offered money not to breed.
Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
"There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
As long as it is a voluntary program, I think it's a fabulous idea. Most of the people who are most likely to use such a program already know they are unfit to be parents. It would also have a strong affect on abortion rates, since a lot of abortions are among the same group.
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#2 2009-11-05 2:02 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
bullsmurf. Nature vs. nurture argument.
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#3 2009-11-05 9:15 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
This will probably get a lot of flak, but I love it. It is very true that there are a lot of people out there that just shouldn't have kids. Unfortunately these people often end up having a bunch.
I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me.
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#4 2009-11-05 9:20 pm
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And I'm told there are many who should have kids, but realize what a huge responsibility it is and don't, or have fewer. Yes, it's Idiocracy come to life.
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#5 2009-11-05 11:14 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
can someone who decides they just don't want to have kids collect on this?
"Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb."
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#6 2009-11-06 12:29 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Robert B. wrote:
can someone who decides they just don't want to have kids collect on this?
Only if they agree to be sterilized, it seems.
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#7 2009-11-06 12:34 am
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I'd jump on this in a heartbeat.
Because none of us are as cruel as all of us.
The voice of none is stronger than the voice of one.
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#8 2009-11-06 3:05 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Everyone wins!
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#9 2009-11-06 3:14 pm
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You wouldn't start realizing much payoff until 10 - 20 years from now when the numbers become significant. My guess is the people who realize that kids are the major ticket to medicaid unless one is disabled will not sign on. . . unless we get meaningful healthcare/insurance reform.
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#10 2009-11-06 4:38 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
robco wrote:
And I'm told there are many who should have kids, but realize what a huge responsibility it is and don't, or have fewer. Yes, it's Idiocracy come to life.
Teabaggers for instance.
"and it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Barack Obama
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#11 2009-11-07 7:30 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
isaly wrote:
You wouldn't start realizing much payoff until 10 - 20 years from now when the numbers become significant. My guess is the people who realize that kids are the major ticket to medicaid unless one is disabled will not sign on. . . unless we get meaningful healthcare/insurance reform.
New Zealand has the MiniThink solution to healthcare--government run health care.
But then again, leave it to MiniThink to turn a topic about New Zealand into an excuse to "put fresh glitter on their I hate the US sign."
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#12 2009-11-07 7:46 am
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Yes, we all hate the USA.
Whatever. Moving on.
As a cynic, I think this is a great idea. The difference between my students who are on the right track, and those who are complete disasters, breaks down almost 100% along parenting lines. Good parents = good kids, bad parents = bad kids. But really I'd rather see tax incentives / payments / whatever to encourage people to take parenting classes.
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#13 2009-11-07 9:03 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
They would pay me 10k to get a vasectomy? Hell, I'd do it twice.
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#14 2009-11-07 9:38 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Jdude wrote:
They would pay me 10k to get a vasectomy? Hell, I'd do it twice.
That vaccuum cleans twice as well as the other one? I'll take two!
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#15 2009-11-08 11:50 pm
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It's a good idea until later when you realize you want kids after all.
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#16 2009-11-09 12:01 am
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Despite all scientific evidence, a whole lot of people still are in love with the notion of eugenics.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#17 2009-11-09 4:25 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Freeze sperm -- collect 10k -- problem solved. 
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#18 2009-11-09 10:38 am
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Tallgeese wrote:
Despite all scientific evidence, a whole lot of people still are in love with the notion of eugenics.
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Exactly my point. The Nature vs. Nurture argument has been debunked a million times, but people still believe in it.
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#19 2009-11-09 12:28 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
"It's just good breeding, Randolph!"
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#20 2009-11-09 12:30 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Pithecanthropus wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Despite all scientific evidence, a whole lot of people still are in love with the notion of eugenics.
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Exactly my point. The Nature vs. Nurture argument has been debunked a million times, but people still believe in it.
I've also noticed that it defies religious and political boundaries. A general thought of "we'd be better off it those people stopped breeding".
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#21 2009-11-09 2:04 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
robco wrote:
And I'm told there are many who should have kids, but realize what a huge responsibility it is and don't, or have fewer. Yes, it's Idiocracy come to life.
I only wanted one child but my wife wnated two. Guess how many we have? (I love them both equally!)
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#22 2009-11-09 2:07 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Jdude wrote:
They would pay me 10k to get a vasectomy? Hell, I'd do it twice.
I did do it twice (REALLY).
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#23 2009-11-09 5:51 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
wellfleation wrote:
Jdude wrote:
They would pay me 10k to get a vasectomy? Hell, I'd do it twice.
I did do it twice (REALLY).
First one didn't take? Two for one deal? Buy one for a friend? 
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#24 2009-11-09 6:41 pm
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Re: Innovative NZ idea for dealing with crime: pay parents not to breed.
Pithecanthropus wrote:
wellfleation wrote:
Jdude wrote:
They would pay me 10k to get a vasectomy? Hell, I'd do it twice.
I did do it twice (REALLY).
First one didn't take? Two for one deal? Buy one for a friend?
Buy one and the second is half off.
Do your part to combat global warming.
Eat a cow.
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#25 2009-11-09 7:54 pm
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Tallgeese wrote:
Pithecanthropus wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Despite all scientific evidence, a whole lot of people still are in love with the notion of eugenics.
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Exactly my point. The Nature vs. Nurture argument has been debunked a million times, but people still believe in it.I've also noticed that it defies religious and political boundaries. A general thought of "we'd be better off it those people stopped breeding".
A straggler "survival of the species" instinct, perhaps? Weed those unfit for breeding out of the clan?
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