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#1 2009-11-10 2:27 pm
- JakeTheTall
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Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
the Economist wrote:
EARLIER this year Republicans seemed to be in the ascendant in Arizona, the state of Barry Goldwater, even as they struggled in much of the country. Not only had they retained control in both houses of the state legislature, but a fluke turned a Democratic governor into a Republican one when Janet Napolitano, who became Barack Obama’s homeland-security secretary, vacated the office for Janice Brewer, who was secretary of state at the time. But Arizona’s Republicans instead descended into a bitter feud that is bankrupting their state and amusing not even Democrats.
Arizona is among the states worst hit by the recession, and years of tax cuts combined with more spending under Ms Napolitano had left its budget out of balance when Mrs Brewer took over. “By her tenth day in office, she had cut more than any Arizona governor in history,” boasts her spokesman. In March Mrs Brewer went before the legislature to ask for a temporary one-cent increase in the state sales tax alongside yet more cuts. The Republicans balked.
Thus began an increasingly silly feud between governor and legislature. Legislators delayed sending a budget to Mrs Brewer, who in turn sued the body and won. Sulking over her fellow Republicans’ refusal to back her sales-tax increase, Mrs Brewer vetoed large parts of a new budget. As paper and invective flowed between floors of the same building, the hole in the budget opened wider. An (unconstitutional) deficit was carried over from the fiscal year that ended in June to make the hole in the current one even bigger.
Dean Martin, the state treasurer, also a Republican, says that revenues are coming in far below even his pessimistic estimates. Arizona has lost jobs faster than any state but Michigan, mainly as a result of a collapse in the construction business. As a result, he says, the budget now has a hole of more than $2 billion. The state has run out of cash, so he is preparing to issue IOUs to keep paying the bills.
Under pressure to renew negotiations, Mrs Brewer has now replaced her chief of staff, considered toxic by Republicans in the legislature, with Eileen Klein, formerly her adviser on finance matters, who is tough but persuasive. Still, says Mr Martin, there is as yet no plan proposed by anybody that would balance Arizona’s budget in full.
Republicans: responsible politicians or irresponsible, short sighted fools ?
Just sharing a good example of how incompetent today's Republicans are.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#2 2009-11-10 3:08 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
Ya, we went thru tax cut mania here in OK during the boom.
Now they are cutting meals for the indigent elderly.
Talk about "death panels", that's what my state legislature has become. smurfing republicans.
But now the sun beats down on the asphalt land
Like a hammer invoked from God's left hand
What little still grows cringes in the shadows till the night fall...
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#3 2009-11-10 4:39 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
Starve the beast.
I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#4 2009-11-10 4:47 pm
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The indigent elderly should be out there working and making money. Perhaps granny can earn an extra few if she takes her teeth out first.
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#5 2009-11-10 5:23 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
It also bothers me that these jokers get re-elected.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#6 2009-11-10 5:55 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
years of tax cuts combined with more spending under Ms Napolitano had left its budget out of balance when Mrs Brewer took over
Brewer did inherit a lot of the problems too though to be fair.
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#7 2009-11-10 6:29 pm
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
mo' ron wrote:
years of tax cuts combined with more spending under Ms Napolitano had left its budget out of balance when Mrs Brewer took over
Brewer did inherit a lot of the problems too though to be fair.
Inherited problems created by the Republican-controlled state legislature, which apparently ramped up spending during a boom? That's incredibly fiscally irresponsible.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#8 2009-11-10 7:29 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
JakeTheTall wrote:
mo' ron wrote:
years of tax cuts combined with more spending under Ms Napolitano had left its budget out of balance when Mrs Brewer took over
Brewer did inherit a lot of the problems too though to be fair.
Inherited problems created by the Republican-controlled state legislature, which apparently ramped up spending during a boom? That's incredibly fiscally irresponsible.
And a fiscally responsible Rep Governor is trying to fix the budget.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#9 2009-11-10 8:35 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
Farmerkev wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
mo' ron wrote:
Brewer did inherit a lot of the problems too though to be fair.Inherited problems created by the Republican-controlled state legislature, which apparently ramped up spending during a boom? That's incredibly fiscally irresponsible.
And a fiscally responsible Rep Governor is trying to fix the budget.
Sure, we'll just ignore the 17 state senators and 36 state representatives that together aren't fiscally responsible.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#10 2009-11-10 8:44 pm
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You're right. They should chuck them all out of office and let the budget fester while forcing the government to pay for a massive election campaign to replace them.
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#11 2009-11-10 8:51 pm
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Governors and Presidents don't rule as despots or monarchs. The legislative branch has control over the purse strings. Unfortunately "fixing the budget" usually means cutting services to the most needy vulnerable.
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#12 2009-11-10 9:21 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
JakeTheTall wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
Inherited problems created by the Republican-controlled state legislature, which apparently ramped up spending during a boom? That's incredibly fiscally irresponsible.And a fiscally responsible Rep Governor is trying to fix the budget.
Sure, we'll just ignore the 17 state senators and 36 state representatives that together aren't fiscally responsible.
You are correctly identifying a problem with elected officials pandering to voters but incorrectly assigning blame to a political party.
For other examples you could look to my state of IL, Dem owned and operated and horribly mismanaged.
The Fed isn't exactly showing any respectable fiscal policy under the Dems right now either.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#13 2009-11-10 9:27 pm
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Pariah wrote:
Ya, we went thru tax cut mania here in OK during the boom.
Now they are cutting meals for the indigent elderly.
Talk about "death panels", that's what my state legislature has become. smurfing republicans.
We didn't go through tax cuts here in CA, and now they are forcing us to give them interest free loans.
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#14 2009-11-10 9:33 pm
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Many state governments are looking into unusual measures as they're all feeling the fiscal strain of the recession. AZ was looking to sell some of its government building then lease them back. Unfortunately most state revenue comes from income taxes and/or sales tax. As a consequence, when a recession hits and people are unemployed, revenue takes a huge nosedive. You can have a "responsible" budget, but when revenues don't meet the target, you have to make last-minute changes. It happens in the private sector too. Many companies are laying off workers and cutting back because sales have plummeted. Some companies have huge cash reserves to fall back on, but many don't. SF had a rainy day fund, but it's almost gone. Whenever the government tries to save, we get calls for more tax cuts. It's pretty clear though that cutting taxes without reducing spending doesn't work. Cutting taxes doesn't lead to increased revenues. George HW Bush called Reagonmics what it is: Voodoo Ecomomics. The whole Laffer Curve, trickle-down nonsense is bunk.
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#15 2009-11-10 10:11 pm
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
resedit wrote:
Pariah wrote:
Ya, we went thru tax cut mania here in OK during the boom.
Now they are cutting meals for the indigent elderly.
Talk about "death panels", that's what my state legislature has become. smurfing republicans.We didn't go through tax cuts here in CA, and now they are forcing us to give them interest free loans.
No, just a failure to raise taxes to meet costs.
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#16 2009-11-10 11:06 pm
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
Farmerkev wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
And a fiscally responsible Rep Governor is trying to fix the budget.
Sure, we'll just ignore the 17 state senators and 36 state representatives that together aren't fiscally responsible.
You are correctly identifying a problem with elected officials pandering to voters but incorrectly assigning blame to a political party.
For other examples you could look to my state of IL, Dem owned and operated and horribly mismanaged.
The Fed isn't exactly showing any respectable fiscal policy under the Dems right now either.
The Federal Reserve is an independent government entity in control of monetary policy.
Saving banks is also saving the economy from a much worse recession.
There's no threat of inflation in the next couple of years.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#17 2009-11-10 11:50 pm
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JakeTheTall wrote:
There's no threat of inflation in the next couple of years.
You know, I'm not very good at economics. However, if that statement is true, you get the silver lining award of the month.
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#18 2009-11-11 12:15 am
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Jokotai wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
There's no threat of inflation in the next couple of years.
You know, I'm not very good at economics. However, if that statement is true, you get the silver lining award of the month.
It's not a silver lining. Without the pumping of cash into the system, severe deflation was very likely.
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#19 2009-11-11 5:13 am
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
JakeTheTall wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
Sure, we'll just ignore the 17 state senators and 36 state representatives that together aren't fiscally responsible.You are correctly identifying a problem with elected officials pandering to voters but incorrectly assigning blame to a political party.
For other examples you could look to my state of IL, Dem owned and operated and horribly mismanaged.
The Fed isn't exactly showing any respectable fiscal policy under the Dems right now either.The Federal Reserve is an independent government entity in control of monetary policy.
Saving banks is also saving the economy from a much worse recession.
There's no threat of inflation in the next couple of years.
You know I meant the Federal government and not the Federal Reserve so don't try playing that game.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#20 2009-11-11 8:13 am
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
I assumed that you were referring to the Federal Reserve as well. That's what "The Fed" is.
I have heard the Federal Government referred to as the "The Feds," though.
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#21 2009-11-11 9:19 am
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
Farmerkev wrote:
JakeTheTall wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
You are correctly identifying a problem with elected officials pandering to voters but incorrectly assigning blame to a political party.
For other examples you could look to my state of IL, Dem owned and operated and horribly mismanaged.
The Fed isn't exactly showing any respectable fiscal policy under the Dems right now either.The Federal Reserve is an independent government entity in control of monetary policy.
Saving banks is also saving the economy from a much worse recession.
There's no threat of inflation in the next couple of years.You know I meant the Federal government and not the Federal Reserve so don't try playing that game.

Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#22 2009-11-11 9:34 am
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Re: Arizona budget: GOP just not responsible
I was always taught that "the Fed" meant the Federal Reserve.
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#23 2009-11-11 9:44 am
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Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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