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#1 2003-03-20 9:26 am
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Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
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#2 2003-03-20 9:29 am
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
So Dvorak has chnaged his theme from Apple death watch to Apple acrhitecture change?
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#3 2003-03-20 10:01 am
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
Dvorak is an idiot.
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#4 2003-03-20 10:19 am
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Dvorak is an idiot.
What he said.
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#5 2003-03-20 10:53 am
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
I remember Dvorak from his days at Macuser. He was a moron then and he is a moron now.
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#6 2003-03-20 12:05 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
he doesnt even mention the 970. anyone that is talking about apples future, and doesnt even mention the 970...well, you can guess..
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#7 2003-03-20 1:10 pm
Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
While I do think that a switch to x86 is possible, I believe it is highly unlikely for reasons that have been discussed in many other threads. If you need me to explain these reasons, I can. However, not only did Dvorak say Apple will switch to Intel, but switch to Itanium! This warrants the ridicule everyone gives him.
The Itanium, aka Itanic, is a disaster of a chip. It has limited 32-bit support, running all 32-bit code in a poorly optimized emulation layer. To run code properly, it has to be 64-bit compiled. Now, if Apple does switch to x86, code will need to be recompiled anyway, which is enough of a headache. Unless, of course, Apple devises a way to emulate older code through the OS, like Classic does for OS 9. Now, imagine emulation of 32-bit code, coupled with emulation of the PPC, on the Itanium. It sounds horrible, and it would be.
A more likely scenario would be Apple switching to using the Athlon64, which does a much better job with 32-bit code. You still have the deal with a recompile, but you've eliminated one hurdle.
Of course, a switch to a PPC 970, which shares instructions (and AltiVec) with Apple's current chips makes infinitely more sense. No recompiling (is necessary, but still recommended) and no hurdles of emulation a different type of chip. Here you keep the backwards compatability which Dvorak mentions.
A switch to x86 has to be quick so that companies know that everything new has to target the Apple x86. We had enough trouble getting OS X versions of software, imagine companies developing an OS X version for PPC and x86.
Switching chips is always a bumpy road, but switching to x86 (and especially Itanium) makes that road even bumpier.
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#8 2003-03-20 2:15 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
...oh...wait...it isn't April 1st.
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#9 2003-03-20 2:42 pm
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he doesnt even mention the 970. anyone that is talking about apples future, and doesnt even mention the 970...well, you can guess..
Me! Me! I wanna guess!!!
Dvorak is an idiot!!
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#11 2003-03-20 3:02 pm
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Dvorak realizes that he needs to pound out an opinion piece for PC Mag.
Decides to write an article on the belief that every 15-year-old Dell owner has.
PC Mag. publishes the article and cuts Dvorak a check.
In the end, he doesn't really care about what he wrote, just that it paid the phone bill.
Do your homework before you talk about what Apple might do next Dvorak, and then you might get some respect.
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#12 2003-03-20 3:44 pm
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i wonder if jobs ever reads things like this and laughs his ass off. apple could subscribe to this magazine and rip out any article about them and put it in some kind of hall of shame.
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#13 2003-03-20 4:17 pm
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If we buy a bunch of stock in Apple because of this prediction and it doesn't come true, can we sue him for all he's worth (not much)?
Probably not. But I'd like to.
I'm going to slap your ass so hard, your bell-bottoms will be ringing.
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#14 2003-03-20 4:24 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
A switch to intel is making a lot of sense now that Apple is building a whole set of iReasons for switching to mac. And with the recent addition of Keynote, Safari and the such, there is a lot of appeal for such a move. If there is any porting involved, Apple already has control of most mac "killer" apps, so that's another big plus that Apple didn't have in the 90s.
About having dual intel/motorola processors on a high-end machine: complete non-sense........
Now, I think Apple could provide Windows compatibility through a classic-like scheme like they did with Mac OS 9 in OS X. That would be an excellent move. People would be able to use Windows but they'll begin to hate it, and will want to find mac native apps.
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#15 2003-03-20 4:47 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
This is now old news, first brought to you by Spoofi:
http://www.macaddict.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11678
I'd like to add that this is NOT a rumor or prediction; it's a fact.
I have already seen one post from an Apple employee in this thread, trying to raise doubt about AMD/intel based Macs; Apple has kept a very tight lid on this for quite a while because it wants its cutomers to buy its slow obsolete, outdated Macs and then be forced to upgrade again in a few months when the new faster ones are released.
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#17 2003-03-20 5:34 pm
Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
This is now old news, first brought to you by Spoofi:
http://www.macaddict.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11678
I'd like to add that this is NOT a rumor or prediction; it's a fact.
I have already seen one post from an Apple employee in this thread, trying to raise doubt about AMD/intel based Macs; Apple has kept a very tight lid on this for quite a while because it wants its cutomers to buy its slow obsolete, outdated Macs and then be forced to upgrade again in a few months when the new faster ones are released.
For wonders never cease, I actually agree with Spoofi for once!
:arrow:
Truth being, if Apple said that it would release PowerMacs with a new, better processor, noone would buy anything right now.
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#18 2003-03-20 5:52 pm
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nah... I think that some of theese stories were cooked up by Apple
just to thow us of track!
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#19 2003-03-20 5:54 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
A switch from PPC to x86 isn't going to happen. If you're unable to grasp why, due to hardware architecture, software, and transitionary obstacles, it is not a feasible, reasonable, or logical solution to Apple's perceived "problem" then you flat out do not get it, and probably never will.
I have to go over the reasons why Apple won't switch to x86 about once every six months for the last 2 1/2 years (the rumor started floating around back then when the G4 was "stuck" at 500 MHz), and it has yet to happen over this entire time, while so-called "knowledgeable" people, both in the industry, media, and as users, say that it is a sure thing.
Apple knows what they are doing, and I wish the armchair CEOs would just shut their yaps for a change. Switching to x86 will solve absolutely nothing.
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#20 2003-03-20 5:59 pm
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:arrow: 
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#21 2003-03-20 6:52 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
A switch from PPC to x86 isn't going to happen. If you're unable to grasp why, due to hardware architecture, software, and transitionary obstacles, it is not a feasible, reasonable, or logical solution to Apple's perceived "problem" then you flat out do not get it, and probably never will.
I have to go over the reasons why Apple won't switch to x86 about once every six months for the last 2 1/2 years (the rumor started floating around back then when the G4 was "stuck" at 500 MHz), and it has yet to happen over this entire time, while so-called "knowledgeable" people, both in the industry, media, and as users, say that it is a sure thing.
Apple knows what they are doing, and I wish the armchair CEOs would just shut their yaps for a change. Switching to x86 will solve absolutely nothing.
I agree. All of this specualtion about Apple moving to x86 architecture is just that. Speculation, cooked up by rumour sites, whom can give no evidence.
Spoofi, i already asked if you were going to pull evidence of this from your ass, as that is generally from whence you speak, and you haven't yet, so just go back to your room.
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#22 2003-03-20 6:56 pm
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I wish the armchair CEOs would just shut their yaps for a change.
LOL. Thas priceless. I'll have to remember that phrase. 'armchair CEO'. hahahaha.
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#23 2003-03-20 6:58 pm
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I don't think Apple is going x86. I'd love to see that happen but I don't think its going down like that.
They'd have a ton of porting work to do and they'd need to provide some kind of emulation/compatability layer for existing PPC apps.
Ever see a PPC emulator on x86? From what I've read they are not easy to write. In fact no one has pulled it off yet.
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#24 2003-03-20 7:04 pm
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Re: Apple will switch to Intel CPU's (Article OPINION)
Ever see a PPC emulator on x86? From what I've read they are not easy to write. In fact no one has pulled it off yet.
Darn right no one has ever done it. Well, that's not entirely true, it has been done, just not successfully. Even the 68k emulator I used runs slower on the fastest Intel PCs than VPC does running WinXP on an average G4.
It's just not feasible or logical for Apple to switch to x86 (nor would it solve anything), and I want to kick people in the nuts every single time they say Apple is switching to x86.
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#25 2003-03-20 7:05 pm
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Ah yes, Dvorak at it again... HAHAHAHA what an eeeediot.
If any of you think what he is saying holds any value, then you'd be interested in this...
http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/ar … 000046.php
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