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#1 2003-04-12 8:12 pm
- MysticCow
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Anti War or Anti Bush?
You know, you never saw this kind of protesting when CLINTON sent troops into Yugoslavia without UN approval and forced a regime change. Or when CLINTON ordered attacks on Iraq without UN approval.
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#2 2003-04-12 8:16 pm
- freakoutjackson
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both.
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#3 2003-04-12 8:27 pm
- jacksquat
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both.
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#4 2003-04-12 8:47 pm
- ClayH
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both.
But I voted anti-Bush because the majority are ignorant and just want to yell and shout about something... anything. They make the legitimate protesters look pretty bad.
I'm going to leave it at that.
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#5 2003-04-12 8:50 pm
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#7 2003-04-12 9:00 pm
- Tallgeese
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
both.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#8 2003-04-13 10:09 am
- [Tycho?]
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both.
I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me.
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#9 2003-04-13 10:17 am
- ShnickyShnack
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
I wish people would stop comparing Iraq to Kosovo. They have nothing in common. Kosovo was to stop a genocide. Iraq was (at the time) to stop a potential threat from arising at some point in the future (though in the absence of WMD it seems to have become about "liberation").
In fact, there is one interesting comparison: there wasn't UN support for Kosovo because of a threatened Russian veto, but even without the UN there was broad international support, and Kosovo was later turned over to the UN. Not exactly the situation in Iraq.
Note: please delete this post.
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#10 2003-04-13 10:23 am
Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
You know, you never saw this kind of protesting when CLINTON sent troops into Yugoslavia without UN approval and forced a regime change. Or when CLINTON ordered attacks on Iraq without UN approval.
Good points.
The anti-war movement against this war wants to sacrifice justice for peace.
That's wrong.
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#11 2003-04-13 11:11 am
- cocoamix
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both.
Jingoism - Extreme and emotional nationalism, or chauvinism, often characterized by an aggressive foreign policy, accompanied by an eagerness to wage war.
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#12 2003-04-13 1:11 pm
- [MA] Flying_Meat
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
You know, you never saw this kind of protesting when CLINTON sent troops into Yugoslavia without UN approval and forced a regime change. Or when CLINTON ordered attacks on Iraq without UN approval.
Good points.
The anti-war movement against this war wants to sacrifice justice for peace.
That's wrong.
Bad points. 2 completely seperate sets of circumstances leading up to Yugo and current Iraq.
having actually been fired on (legal no-fly or not) was the justification for clinton's limited retaliatory Iraq. And yes. There were protests. Just not as news worthy.
Bushco held up dubious, as well as just plain false, evidence to enlist support from the UN. 
So you are right.
"That is wrong."
Justice, or justification? We know that we can justify anything to ourselves if we try hard enough. We also know these justifications should fail when the facts indicate the justifications are false.
Oh, and,.. um,.. Both.
...and watch out for the flying meat!
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#13 2003-04-13 1:51 pm
- jondaris
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Cow keeps coming back to this crap, and it's ridiculous. He wants to show that the anti-war movement is a direct result of "blind hatred" of Bush.
I'm anti-Bush BECAUSE I'm against THIS war. Clinton's circumstances were, as has been shown, totally different. I'm not against military retaliation in all circumstances. I'm against this war because I think the justifications were lame from the start. I'm against Bush because it seems he was bound and determined to go to war with Iraq regardless of what happened.
Just get off it. Your whole point is stupid. Leave debate to the big boys who don't get their opinions spoon fed them by talk radio.
"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian" -- Pat Paulsen
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#15 2003-04-13 3:27 pm
- DavidMichael
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Bush
The man is an uneducated, inarticulate hick farmer.
His only qualification for office is his ability to cheat (his way into it) and
lie (his way through it).
Tho some might say that those are two admirable qualities in a
politician and President.
HILLARY FOR PREZ!!!
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#16 2003-04-13 4:44 pm
- Jaligard
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Bush
The man is an uneducated, inarticulate hick farmer.
His only qualification for office is his ability to cheat (his way into it) and
lie (his way through it).
Tho some might say that those are two admirable qualities in a
politician and President.
Hey! Give the man some credit. He is a highly educated inarticulate rich oil baby. His distinguishing qualifications for the office are personal charisma, campaigning savvy and highly refined fund-raising skills. Lying and cheating are par for the course in the Presidential arena.
George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to try to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
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#18 2003-04-13 7:24 pm
- MysticCow
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both. And Kosovo was a NATO action anyhow....
What part of NO UN APPROVAL do you not get???
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#19 2003-04-13 7:39 pm
- Slarty
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Pickles.
Git off my lawn, ya durn kids!
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#20 2003-04-13 7:57 pm
- ClayH
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
"Bush
The man is an uneducated, inarticulate hick farmer.
His only qualification for office is his ability to cheat (his way into it) and
lie (his way through it).
Tho some might say that those are two admirable qualities in a
politician and President."
You aren't too articulate yourself. You are such a moron, you are like the English version of a hillbilly I guess. If you are such a genius, why is it that Bush is so much more than you are? Lord you are such a fool.
I'm going to leave it at that.
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#21 2003-04-13 10:30 pm
- damage
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Both. And Kosovo was a NATO action anyhow....
What part of NO UN APPROVAL do you not get???
Which part of GENOCIDE do you not get???
edit: It is foolish to compare Kosovo to Iraq as they are too different. NATO had a choice - sit back and watch while villages were ethnically cleansed because Russia opposed UN intervention or do something to prevent it.
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#23 2003-04-14 3:11 pm
- chrissy1970
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
War..I haven't really had a problem with Bush up until this Iraq thing.
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#24 2003-04-14 10:17 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
The anti-war movement against this war wants to sacrifice justice for peace.
That's wrong.
"Justice" for whom?
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
--Paul Krugman
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#25 2003-04-14 10:32 pm
- Hank Rearden
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Re: Anti War or Anti Bush?
Before this war (and before the Patriot Act), I sort of liked Bush. I was suspicious, of course, as I am of all government officials; but it seemed at the time that he might actually be an OK guy.
However, this war (and the Patriot Act) are inseparable from the man. Thus:
BOTH
The gross heathenism of civilization has generally destroyed nature, and poetry, and all that is spiritual. -John Muir-
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