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#1 2003-05-22 4:41 pm

SteelWolf
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HOLY....

http://www.aikidofaq.com/history/story.html
O M G
I knew Aikido was effective... but, not THIS effective!
READ ON.  ITS 100% TRUE.  Not smurfing Matrix smurf - its real.


"When I need to strike my opponent, I use the largest weapon avaliable - the earth."
"When my attacker approaches, I will feel no fear - For I am already standing behind his limp, unconscious body."
-Morihei Ueshiba, Founder of Aikido

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#2 2003-05-22 5:03 pm

Tria
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Re: HOLY....

Intresting story.  I wonder why they didn't use rubber bullets...

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#3 2003-05-22 5:07 pm

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Re: HOLY....

I'll admit I'm highly skeptical. 

Even if such a feat was true, I doubt it had much to do with the art of Aikido at all.  More of a result of will, mindset, and, of course, ninja magic.

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#4 2003-05-22 5:22 pm

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Re: HOLY....

I'm rather skeptical of that story.


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#5 2003-05-22 5:25 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Sonds like BS, and if it wasn't than something funny was going on. Wouldn't the guys shooting have hesatation before killing a innocent man? Wouldn't they use bullets? How does this have anything to do with Akido?

Something fishy is going on there...


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#6 2003-05-22 5:36 pm

Tria
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Re: HOLY....

Hmm. 

Based on the data given:

Firing range = 25 m
Man claims he can cover half the distance before the bullets reach his original location = 12.5 m covered

Assuming the bullets are fired directly at the man (initial angle = 0) he would have to be running 198 mi / hr to make it to the 12.5 m mark.

The other end of the bullet speed spectrum was about 1500 m/s.  To make 12.5 m with the bullet traveling this fast, our hero would have to be running about 1620 mi / hr, which would definately be quite a feat.

[Edit because you can't trust the internet]

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#7 2003-05-22 5:49 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Hmm.  If a person could start running at precisely the right moment, this is possible.

Based on the data given:

Firing range = 25 m
Man claims he can cover half the distance before the bullets reach his original location = 12.5 m covered

Using some of the nice physics I learned ('cause I didn't cheat tongue) you can get some interesting results.  It depends on the speed of the bullet.  The slow end of the bullet spectrum is 180 m / s.

Assuming the bullets are fired directly at the man (initial angle = 0) he would only have to be running 3.3 mi / hr to make it to the 12.5 m mark.  This is doable for someone who is an OK runner, and for a short sprint (12.5 m) more than managable.

The other end of the bullet speed spectrum was about 1500 m/s.  To make 12.5 m with the bullet traveling this fast, our hero would have to be running about 27 mi / hr, which would be quite a feat.

Also, don't forget that he said he could tell when the bullets where about to exit the gun do he had a split second head start on them.


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#8 2003-05-22 6:03 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Hmm.  If a person could start running at precisely the right moment, this is possible.

Based on the data given:

Firing range = 25 m
Man claims he can cover half the distance before the bullets reach his original location = 12.5 m covered

Using some of the nice physics I learned ('cause I didn't cheat tongue) you can get some interesting results.  It depends on the speed of the bullet.  The slow end of the bullet spectrum is 180 m / s.

Assuming the bullets are fired directly at the man (initial angle = 0) he would only have to be running 3.3 mi / hr to make it to the 12.5 m mark.  This is doable for someone who is an OK runner, and for a short sprint (12.5 m) more than managable.

The other end of the bullet speed spectrum was about 1500 m/s.  To make 12.5 m with the bullet traveling this fast, our hero would have to be running about 27 mi / hr, which would be quite a feat.

ok...well, i'm not sure where your physics come from, but in my world it works like this ->

bullets cover distance = 2x in time = t
Sensei covers distance = x in time = t

therefore sensei's speed = bullet's speed divide two.

Sensei runs 90m/s, at the slow end -> that's 200mph for the americans and non-scientists in the crowd.  Total crap, methinks.  I've seen videos of Ueshiba tossing people with no effort...but on close inspection he's not even touching them (his students would take falls).  Ueshiba had some skill, but he was not the legend he tried to make himself out to be.  There is a video of one of his top students who fought to a draw for about 10 minutes with a reporter who challenged him.  Neither showed any exceptional skill.  There are very few true legendary martial artists.  Ueshiba had good skill, but he was no legend.


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#9 2003-05-22 6:03 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Two letters... you already know what they are.

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#10 2003-05-22 6:36 pm

Tria
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Re: HOLY....


ok...well, i'm not sure where your physics come from, but in my world it works like this ->

bullets cover distance = 2x in time = t
Sensei covers distance = x in time = t

therefore sensei's speed = bullet's speed divide two.

Heh, this proves I shouldn't listen to the internet.  I looked up the conversion from m -> mi and it wasn't right.  tongue

Looking in my physics book, and getting the right conversion...  That's closer to the actual #.  I was wondering why those numbers looked off.  Hehe.

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#11 2003-05-22 8:05 pm

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Re: HOLY....


ok...well, i'm not sure where your physics come from, but in my world it works like this ->

bullets cover distance = 2x in time = t
Sensei covers distance = x in time = t

therefore sensei's speed = bullet's speed divide two.

Heh, this proves I shouldn't listen to the internet.  I looked up the conversion from m -> mi and it wasn't right.  tongue

Looking in my physics book, and getting the right conversion...  That's closer to the actual #.  I was wondering why those numbers looked off.  Hehe.

Yeah, i was gonna say... those would have to be some slow bullets.


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#12 2003-05-22 8:09 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Yeah, martial arts allows people to do incredible stuff...to a limit. 

Dodging bullets, running past the speed of light, teleportation, fireballs and glowy auras...

all that belongs in either movies, anime, or cool video games.

Heh, reminds me of my Kenpo Professor when he voiced his frustration recalling when a young kid asked him if he could use Kenpo to fly, or at least jump twice his height.

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#13 2003-05-22 8:28 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Yeah, martial arts allows people to do incredible stuff...to a limit. 

Dodging bullets, running past the speed of light, teleportation, fireballs and glowy auras...

all that belongs in either movies, anime, or cool video games.

Heh, reminds me of my Kenpo Professor when he voiced his frustration recalling when a young kid asked him if he could use Kenpo to fly, or at least jump twice his height.

You misunderestimate Jackie Chan under the influence of LSD.


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#14 2003-05-22 8:37 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Yeah, martial arts allows people to do incredible stuff...to a limit. 

Dodging bullets, running past the speed of light, teleportation, fireballs and glowy auras...

all that belongs in either movies, anime, or cool video games.

Heh, reminds me of my Kenpo Professor when he voiced his frustration recalling when a young kid asked him if he could use Kenpo to fly, or at least jump twice his height.

You misunderestimate Jackie Chan under the influence of LSD.

Ah, forgot the exception.  Sorry.

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#15 2003-05-24 12:17 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Yeah, Jackie Chan is pretty cool.

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#16 2003-05-24 12:43 pm

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Re: HOLY....

i love jackie chan movies. the endings are always so funny... they show all the bloopers after or during the credits.

i'm watching a jackie chan movie right now actually.

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#17 2003-05-24 1:28 pm

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Re: HOLY....

Actually, I haven't seen a Jackie Chan movie for over a year. I'd always rent one for my birth parties  big_smile

Hmm, I think I'll look 'em up on imdb.com and see if there are any I haven't seen :raisedbrow:


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#18 2003-05-24 1:39 pm

Steyr AUG
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Re: HOLY....

http://www.aikidofaq.com/history/story.html
O M G
I knew Aikido was effective... but, not THIS effective!
READ ON.  ITS 100% TRUE.  Not smurfing Matrix smurf - its real.

I have a whole bunch of money in a foreign bank account but I need your help to transfer it, I will give you $2 million if you do.

All I need is your account and routing numbers wink


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#19 2003-05-25 4:24 pm

SteelWolf
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Re: HOLY....

Yeah, martial arts allows people to do incredible stuff...to a limit. 

Dodging bullets, running past the speed of light, teleportation, fireballs and glowy auras...

all that belongs in either movies, anime, or cool video games.

Heh, reminds me of my Kenpo Professor when he voiced his frustration recalling when a young kid asked him if he could use Kenpo to fly, or at least jump twice his height.

OK... yes and no.  Running past the speed of light is IMPOSSIBLE, look at Physics, as is Teleportation. 
Fireballs are also impossible, HOWEVER, using Chi you can accomplish similar goals (sounds odd, I know).  Flying? Umm... does being thrown count?As for Jumping, I have jumped 11 feet vertically, but, this prolly nothing to do w/ Martial Arts.  What's the high jump record?
HOWEVER, I have seen Auras MANY times, both around my Sensei, myself and certain other instructors and students.  Additionally, I see motion ghosts in certain techniques - there is an ancient Tai Chi kata I know that takes around 20 minutes to perform.  Each movement is done VERY slowly (like 2 minutes to throw a punch), but, you can still make out very clear motion ghosts.  I know it seems to make no logical sense, but, its true.  Additionally, I have shattered a cinderblock just by dropping my hand, completely relaxed, on it.  No strenght or power was used - simply pure relaxation.  Certain breathing exercises will actually distort th appearance of the room - I once helped Sensei demonstrate one of these, and the room's walls literrally WAVED.  And no, I wasn't hit in the head.  Along these lines, while performin San Chin (ancient breathing kata), you can see a perfectly strait line extending from the top of the torso down to the base of the gut, expanding and contracting as the breaths are taken and released.  I have shattered windows with Kiais.  I have thrown a 400 pound man 14 feet across the Dojo floor - all by simply rotating my hips.  Now, Dragon Ball Z stuff is f'ing dumb, but this stuff is real.


"When I need to strike my opponent, I use the largest weapon avaliable - the earth."
"When my attacker approaches, I will feel no fear - For I am already standing behind his limp, unconscious body."
-Morihei Ueshiba, Founder of Aikido

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#20 2003-05-25 4:26 pm

SteelWolf
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Re: HOLY....

http://www.aikidofaq.com/history/story.html
O M G
I knew Aikido was effective... but, not THIS effective!
READ ON.  ITS 100% TRUE.  Not smurfing Matrix smurf - its real.

I have a whole bunch of money in a foreign bank account but I need your help to transfer it, I will give you $2 million if you do.

All I need is your account and routing numbers wink

LMAO.  Um, no.


"When I need to strike my opponent, I use the largest weapon avaliable - the earth."
"When my attacker approaches, I will feel no fear - For I am already standing behind his limp, unconscious body."
-Morihei Ueshiba, Founder of Aikido

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#21 2003-05-25 6:59 pm

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Re: HOLY....

um are u sure your gf didn't dump you because of an overactive imagination???

even IF you really did any of that stuff why bother telling us. Do you really think anyone here will believe you?

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#22 2003-05-25 7:04 pm

Steyr AUG
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Re: HOLY....


even IF you really did any of that stuff why bother telling us. Do you really think anyone here will believe you?

I believe!
that he is on crack/LSD


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#23 2003-05-25 7:13 pm

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Re: HOLY....

I could waste you all easily with my Judo Chops of steel.


Suck it, Trebeck!!

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#24 2003-05-25 7:17 pm

Steyr AUG
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Re: HOLY....

This reminds me of that one dude who was a guest on Laslo's show in GTA3.

"I will now chop this desk into two half-desks"


Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?

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#25 2003-05-25 7:18 pm

Steyr AUG
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Re: HOLY....

or...

"Do not make me mad Laslo, it's bad for my Karma and it will definately be bad for your Karma. Do not make me go into my...DRAGON STANCE" -Reed Tucker from GTA 3's Chatterbox


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