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#26 2003-06-14 11:35 pm

jkahless
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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I would think that more 'teens' would be admitting to having had a beer or two.

Drinking under 18 is not a crime.  Selling alcohal to a minor is.  Up here at least. big_smile   Anyway, why buy when you can make your own for cheap?


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#27 2003-06-15 12:05 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

The drinking age here is 18, but I've been drinking since I was 16 (19 now.)

I've done other "illegal substances" as well, but I feel I'm responsible with them... I research my drungs to make sure they aren't too harmfull,  buy only from people known by myself or friends, and stay in safe environments... Always have someone whos straight, yadda yadda yadda.

Only one I've found that I really enjoy a lot is Nitrous, and well, thats legal (to possess anyway)

Well, that and alcohol. And alcohol is losing its appeal now.

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#28 2003-06-15 12:52 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

Any no, marijuana should not be legalized.

So you think alcohol should be made illegal then?

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#29 2003-06-15 11:45 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

Jay: have you eaten a piece of chocolate? Ever had any coffee or tea?

I don't use the other drugs though, either - smoking, drinking, or any illegal drugs.

Any no, marijuana should not be legalized.

Comparing highly psychoactive componds with chocolate, coffee, or tea is a real stretch. Why not say a tiny dent on the hood of your car (caused by a pebble) is the same as totalling it? They both damage your car.

Why not say that a very mild heart attack (some people have them without even realizing it) is the same as a massive heart attack that kills you?

For what it's worth, haven't used any illegal drugs for over 15 years now, though I did years ago when I was young and had all the answers. For reasons too obvious and numerous to mention, I'd legalize all illegal drugs yesterday.

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#30 2003-06-15 3:16 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

as i


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#31 2003-06-17 6:04 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I believe heavily in that life is what you make it. I don't think that I need drugs or alcohol to have fun, so I just don't do it. shrug

There was never any peer pressure to do it, because throughout school I was always the"anti-social loner", and no one bothered me  smile

Only 2 people (out of the 5 in my family) smoke, my Dad and my brother. My Dad has been smoking for the last 30 years, my brother starting just after he turned 18. Seeing how much money my Dad spent on cigarettes was a large deturent, because I never had much money.

As for marijuana legalization, my position is "I don't care", skewed slightly to "Legalize it". For the most part, I couldn't care less, because it doesn't impact me. The only reason I could see for legalization would be to have it taxed.

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#32 2003-06-17 10:25 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I smoke weed and I drink. Never smoked a cigarette or even considered doing any other drugs. Some of my friends have done mushrooms, sniffed riddelin, etc. Doing those things has never even crossed my mind. I don't do either thing (smoking weed or drinking) all that much. On average, probably smoke four times a month and drink four times a month. Some months are more, some are less. However, given the number of opportunities I have to do either, my usage seems very low.


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#33 2003-06-17 10:43 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0


Comparing highly psychoactive componds with chocolate, coffee, or tea is a real stretch. Why not say a tiny dent on the hood of your car (caused by a pebble) is the same as totalling it? They both damage your car.

Why not say that a very mild heart attack (some people have them without even realizing it) is the same as a massive heart attack that kills you?

For what it's worth, haven't used any illegal drugs for over 15 years now, though I did years ago when I was young and had all the answers. For reasons too obvious and numerous to mention, I'd legalize all illegal drugs yesterday.

I was merely pointing out that jay was in fact wrong about his never having used drugs.
It's more like saying, "yes, I keyed your porsche, but it's less illegal than taking your porsche and dropping a 16-ton block of steel on it". Wrong. both are vandalism, although one might carry a more serious punishment: similarily, both drinking coffee and injecting heroin are drug use, but one carries more devastating effects (and one is illegal).

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#34 2003-06-17 10:44 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0


the metaphor i

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#35 2003-06-17 12:12 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

Actually, here legal drinking age is 18 big_smile

Of course that means that I can be drinking for 2-3 years legally, then go to the US and all of a sudden be unable to drink again.

if your location thing is correct and you're in kingston the drinking age isn't 18 dude.

quebec and manitoba are 18. most of the rest of canada is 19.


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#36 2003-06-17 10:50 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

In essence it is 18, since I can drive for 2.5 hours and be able to drink legally.

I was making reference more to the lowest in Canada as a mild form of hyperbole (to accentuate my post), but you did catch me on the details.

Whatever.

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#37 2003-06-21 1:08 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

**Warning -- LONG Post**


Ooohh... drugs--here's a topic that hasn't been completely beaten to death...   Oh, alright, so far everyone seems to be pretty respectful of other peoples points of view -- very rare for a drug discussion.

Yes, I've done drugs.  And I'm not including the 'caffiene' and 'aspirin' or whatever else some [ignorant] people would consider a real drug.  In fact, I've probably done more drugs than most of you could possibly imagine... Let's see...  Weed, LSD, cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, mushrooms, PCP, Extasy, countless prescription meds such as Oxycontin (Hydrocodone), morphine, Percocet (sp? -- too lazy to check/remember).  The list doesn't stop there, but I think you get the idea.  Any method as well -- smoked, snorted, shot, ate... everything 'cept sticking it up my arse.  Ohyeah, and alcohol & cigarettes as well, but I don't really count those. 

Truth is, I've had habits easily exceeding a couple grand a month.  Let me tell you -- some of that stuff really messes with you... but drugs don't mess up someones life.  Whether you're a casual/social pothead, or a junkie living on the streets, it is YOU who is responsible for each and every of your actions, whether you're sober, high, craving a fix, or whatever.  You cannot blame the drug for what you do -- you are conscious of it at the time, and the results of your actions are your responsibilities.  Rehab, by the way, is a horrible, wretched idea.  Most groups, such as NA, demand that you embrace religion, among other things.  The only thing you'll get out of rehab is lots of time sharing stories with other drug users... ohyeah, and lots of new methods, dealers, etc. to think of next time you feel like relapsing/slipping.  You'll never quit if forced or coerced -- you'll quit when you're ready, and when you are, rehab isn't going to help.  Muster up some willpower and do it on your own.

Since those days, I've slowed down quite a lot.  I'm back in college, pursuing a degree (in, of all things, criminal justice).  I've got a wonderful girlfriend, for whom I moved from Upstate New York to Southern Illinois.  I don't do drugs any more, really... Very very rarely I'll get stoned (weed), and the last time I took painkillers was for a rather unpleasent injury to my left knee.  I guess I'm living the 'normal' life with my lovely girlfriend, my weird puppy, and my 3 macs.

So what do I think of drugs?  They're interesting.  If you really want to see the world in a whole different light, spend some time as a junkie--you'll never think the same way again.  But be warned, it's a road you can easily get lost on, and turning around takes more effort than anything else you'll ever do.  There's no reason for marijuana to be illegal (at least no good reason), and most drug laws are entirely too harsh as it is--but thats probably another story.  Truth is, I'm thankful for what I've lived through.  Yes, I'm still feeling some of the effects from it, and some of the problems it's caused in my life haven't gone away (such as my poor credit rating).  But I don't regret it, and I wouldn't take it back for anything.  It's done a lot to make me who I am today -- and I'm happy and secure with who I am.  My experiences with drugs ended up being a real eye-opener and, I think, a benefit.

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#38 2003-06-21 11:10 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I smoke weed and drink. Im taking a lot of Vicodin right now, but I have a prescription for them due to some major pains because of a surgery I had a few days ago.

I definitely think marijuana at least, should be legal. Not only is it a huge waste of money funding the war on drugs, but it is completly futile. Just think back to the early 1900s with Prohibition. How long did that work? The government is making a bigger deal out of this than they need to. Id rather end hunger or cure aids. That would save a lot more lives then banning weed, which would be just as possible as banning dandy lions.

Anyway, MJ is big here. Suposedly Meth is too (according to the police) though I dont actualy know anyone that uses meth. Most of my friends smoke weed, drink, and a few of them do shrooms. I have one friend that does coke once and a while but that is it. My town is called GRASS VALLEY and for good reason, we grow the most weed in cali next to humbolt county. I dont smoke weed because everyone else does, i do it as an activity. Sometimes I like riding my bike, sometimes I like doing smurf on my mac, some times I like getting baked. Though there isnt a whole hell of a lot to do here so thats probably why I smoke as much as I  do...smile

Now dont get me wrong, im not a mindless junkhead. I use a little thing called moderation. Though you cant get addicted to weed so its easy to stop if you want. I use drugs the way I want to, and make sure I dont end up some smurfed up crackhead living in a garbage can behind kmart..i guess itd be a different story for crack or heroin. But smoking weed doesnt make me want to try those. There is no such thing as a gateway drug. anyway i cant figure out how to end this post...probably smoked too much weed ahhhha *cough*


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#39 2003-06-22 11:03 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I found two more stories in the papers to accentuate he one about the girl/heroin/spiders....

One guy got really strung out on LSD and pulled out his eyeball (still attached to the optic nerve though) so he could get a look at it. confused

Another person on PCP clawed his eyeball out with a ballpoint pen because he thought it was evil.

Let's hear geekgirl the trillionaire's opinion on this topic!

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#40 2003-06-23 7:38 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

well, i smoke pot, and drink, and luckily now pot isn't a "criminal" offense big_smile

it isn't canadian law yet! next time u see a cop, light up mmav.... and tell us the story about ur night in the cop shop, and juve smile


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#41 2003-06-23 9:57 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

**Warning -- LONG Post**


Ooohh... drugs--here's a topic that hasn't been completely beaten to death...   Oh, alright, so far everyone seems to be pretty respectful of other peoples points of view -- very rare for a drug discussion.

Yes, I've done drugs.  And I'm not including the 'caffiene' and 'aspirin' or whatever else some [ignorant] people would consider a real drug.  In fact, I've probably done more drugs than most of you could possibly imagine... Let's see...  Weed, LSD, cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, mushrooms, PCP, Extasy, countless prescription meds such as Oxycontin (Hydrocodone), morphine, Percocet (sp? -- too lazy to check/remember).  The list doesn't stop there, but I think you get the idea.  Any method as well -- smoked, snorted, shot, ate... everything 'cept sticking it up my arse.  Ohyeah, and alcohol & cigarettes as well, but I don't really count those. 

Truth is, I've had habits easily exceeding a couple grand a month.  Let me tell you -- some of that stuff really messes with you... but drugs don't mess up someones life.  Whether you're a casual/social pothead, or a junkie living on the streets, it is YOU who is responsible for each and every of your actions, whether you're sober, high, craving a fix, or whatever.  You cannot blame the drug for what you do -- you are conscious of it at the time, and the results of your actions are your responsibilities.  Rehab, by the way, is a horrible, wretched idea.  Most groups, such as NA, demand that you embrace religion, among other things.  The only thing you'll get out of rehab is lots of time sharing stories with other drug users... ohyeah, and lots of new methods, dealers, etc. to think of next time you feel like relapsing/slipping.  You'll never quit if forced or coerced -- you'll quit when you're ready, and when you are, rehab isn't going to help.  Muster up some willpower and do it on your own.

Since those days, I've slowed down quite a lot.  I'm back in college, pursuing a degree (in, of all things, criminal justice).  I've got a wonderful girlfriend, for whom I moved from Upstate New York to Southern Illinois.  I don't do drugs any more, really... Very very rarely I'll get stoned (weed), and the last time I took painkillers was for a rather unpleasent injury to my left knee.  I guess I'm living the 'normal' life with my lovely girlfriend, my weird puppy, and my 3 macs.

So what do I think of drugs?  They're interesting.  If you really want to see the world in a whole different light, spend some time as a junkie--you'll never think the same way again.  But be warned, it's a road you can easily get lost on, and turning around takes more effort than anything else you'll ever do.  There's no reason for marijuana to be illegal (at least no good reason), and most drug laws are entirely too harsh as it is--but thats probably another story.  Truth is, I'm thankful for what I've lived through.  Yes, I'm still feeling some of the effects from it, and some of the problems it's caused in my life haven't gone away (such as my poor credit rating).  But I don't regret it, and I wouldn't take it back for anything.  It's done a lot to make me who I am today -- and I'm happy and secure with who I am.  My experiences with drugs ended up being a real eye-opener and, I think, a benefit.

lol That's not a long post.... lol


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#42 2003-06-24 8:39 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

*wonders where Bren went after all this time

Never smoked, drank, anything.  I don't even like taking medicine or painkillers.

Legalize it.  Looking for stoners is a waste of my tax money.


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#43 2003-06-24 11:02 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

Here's something that came in one of my Dad's medical journals...

http://www.x-plane.org/users/echoboom/beer.jpg

It's pretty relevant seeing as a great deal of us are about 16 and the topic is about illegal (age-wise) drug use...

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#44 2003-06-27 5:09 pm

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

well, i smoke pot, and drink, and luckily now pot isn't a "criminal" offense big_smile

it isn't canadian law yet! next time u see a cop, light up mmav.... and tell us the story about ur night in the cop shop, and juve smile

actually, in ontario, laws pertaining to the prohibition of weed have been suspended.

some pro-pot activists were lighting up right in front of the toronto police headquaters and they couldn't be charged or arrested.

until the federal law has been passed or shot down, ontario police can only confiscate weed.


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#45 2003-06-29 12:34 am

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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I've smoked pot once.  I wouldn't refuse one if offered to me either.  Apparently, some of you people think I should be fined or locked away.

Marijuana is not a crime.

As far as what the point is, the effect marijuana had on me was -
I suddenly found things to be alot funnier.
and also
I felt like I was myself, and in complete control of my actions, only I was even MORE myself - I felt like the important parts of my personality were being exaggerated.

It was a fascinating experience, and I reccomend any person who wishes to be an academic and understand the world around them to try it at least once.


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#46 2003-06-29 12:53 am

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From: Toronto, Canada
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Posts: 183

Re: Drugs v. 2.0

I've smoked pot once.  I wouldn't refuse one if offered to me either.  Apparently, some of you people think I should be fined or locked away.

Marijuana is not a crime.

As far as what the point is, the effect marijuana had on me was -
I suddenly found things to be alot funnier.
and also
I felt like I was myself, and in complete control of my actions, only I was even MORE myself - I felt like the important parts of my personality were being exaggerated.

It was a fascinating experience, and I reccomend any person who wises to be an academic and understand the world around them to try it at least once.

That pretty much sums it up!


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#47 2003-06-30 12:59 am

monolith94
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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

An analysis of research studies with long-term, recreational users of marijuana has failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect on the neurocognitive functioning of users.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ … 062603.php


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#48 2003-06-30 2:11 pm

Echoboom
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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

An analysis of research studies with long-term, recreational users of marijuana has failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect on the neurocognitive functioning of users.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ … 062603.php

For every study like that there's another that says the opposite.

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#49 2003-06-30 5:02 pm

monolith94
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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

No, there aren't.


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#50 2003-06-30 9:14 pm

Echoboom
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Re: Drugs v. 2.0

Just about.

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