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#26 2003-06-15 12:30 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

Right now even speeds in the Mhz range are still quite adequate for most folks. The majority of computer users only use their systems for internet browsing, email, and conducting financial business. As a result the demand just isn't there in significant enough numbers to justify the enormous expenditures necessary in R&D neccessary to develope those chips. In fact I doubt very much anyone now reading this post will live to see speeds in the petabyte, exabyte, zettabyte, or yottabyte level.

And the global market for computers is about 5.


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#27 2003-06-15 12:51 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

who would need more than 5k of disk space?
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#28 2003-06-15 1:09 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

X keeps forgetting all my preferences because I only have 5 K of disk space.


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#29 2003-06-15 1:11 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

X keeps screwing up my permissions because I only have a QuickSilver.  Oh wait, nevermind.  It does that because X does that on any machine...


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#30 2003-06-15 1:12 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

Intel is slowing down because the computer market at large is slowing down. Only Mac users are screaming for more power. PC users have all the power they need for now. A 3GHz machine with plenty of RAM and a high end graphics card will meet or exceed the needs of 99% of the PC users. IF there were customer demand and a market I bet Intel would keep pumping out higher speed bumps. But the market isn't demanding them (like the Apple market is) so there not releasing them.

Indeed Power is abundant, and at amazing prices.

Better yet, get a 2400 with 6 channel sound, 6 PCI/USB 2.0, AGP8x

At these prices everyone could upgrade their ATX tower by recycling a few cans and emptying the spare change jar.

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#31 2003-06-15 6:07 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

...and you could run the world's worst operating system and put money in the pockets of an evil billionaire!  You can have fun deleting spyware and calling M$ to explain why you needed to reinstall their buggy OS so they will give you a registration code because your activation was used up.  And then once you get XP installed you get to spend hours hunting down drivers and updates!  great idea! 

Yeah, keep preaching PC b.s. to Mac users!  Eventually one person might buy a PC for $400 and tell us how great it is to replace OS X and a well designed computer with an ugly plastic box so they can run a program a few seconds faster.  Yeah PC Troll!  You are spending your time wisely!!! 

While you're at it, go to the Military.com forums and tell people the Army should use the VW beetle instead of the M-1A2 tank because it's cheaper and faster.

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#32 2003-06-15 7:01 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

...and you could run the world's worst operating system and put money in the pockets of an evil billionaire!  You can have fun deleting spyware and calling M$ to explain why you needed to reinstall their buggy OS so they will give you a registration code because your activation was used up.  And then once you get XP installed you get to spend hours hunting down drivers and updates!  great idea! 

Yeah, keep preaching PC b.s. to Mac users!  Eventually one person might buy a PC for $400 and tell us how great it is to replace OS X and a well designed computer with an ugly plastic box so they can run a program a few seconds faster.  Yeah PC Troll!  You are spending your time wisely!!! 

While you're at it, go to the Military.com forums and tell people the Army should use the VW beetle instead of the M-1A2 tank because it's cheaper and faster.

Tp Digi:

1. Current Windowxp is not the worst OS, it is as stable and much better support the osX in fact! "of course you will not believe that"
2. Evil billionaire? I am not sure Mr. Bill Gates is a evil person? do you know him personally? in fact is he any more "evil" then say your hero "Steve Job"?
3. Hunting down driver/updated? as opposed to what? as in Mac OS where a hw manfacture never have time or bother to updated  their driver? Nvidia/Ati have monthly new video driver for their chipset, when is the last time the do so for Mac OS? same goes for the software side! is that suppose to be a good thing to have no support?

Cheaper/Faster is not a good thing?


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#33 2003-06-15 7:24 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

OK, because it took awhile for scanner drives to arrive, XP is better?  I have not seen ONE XP vs. OS X comparison that favored Windows of Mac. 

You talk about hardware support?  There are plenty of feature Macs have standard that PCs don't: gigabit ethernet, FW800, digital displays, adopted faster wireless ahead of the pack, etc.  did you need read the thread about USB drives?  Win2K required a restart, XP required a reformat and unplugging the device is a pain, while OS 9 and X could read/write the drive right out of the box.

Did I ever say Steve Jobs is my hero?  Shut your troll ass up.  I don't like him.  Apple ads suck and marketshare has fallen under his leadership.  There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Microsoft constantly practices unethical business to become a monopoly and has been found guilty internationally... if that's not evil, I don't know what is.

And yeah, cheaper/faster isn't the only thing in computing.  When something is a little faster and sometimes cheaper, it doesn't make up for many many other areas.

1. Audio recording.  I'm not going to go into, but no PC user can argue that a Win XP machine is better for pro audio.  It's a fact.

2. Software. iApps, OS X, final cut pro, among others have no Windows equal.

3. Design.  People care what their computer looks and feels like.

4. Other hardware areas already mentioned.

eat my Mac, PC Guy.  Soon the 64-bit Mac uprising will send wintel trolls running.

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#34 2003-06-15 7:41 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

You're right, they're just kind of sitting pretty on 3 Ghz. I remember some article about them hitting 220 Ghz in 4 years or something like that.

Anyone remember that? There was a slew of articles a couple months ago about how incredible they were going to be in a couple of years. Apparently there's nothing in the mean time.

That seems a mite unrealistic to me...

Perhaps you're thinking of the article about faster switching transistors, which would lead to higher frequency processors?

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#35 2003-06-15 9:32 am

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

Cheaper/Faster is not a good thing?

Not when it sacrafices useability and elegance.  This is what I have never understood about the PC preachers who hand around here.  What is so hard to understand that to some people "better" means faster and cheaper and to some people "better" means more elegant, useable, aesthetic?  Thank goodness there are a lot of choices on computers, so that everyone can find one that is right for them!

For a graphics design shop trying to squeeze out more profit, sure, if they can cut their hardware price by half and double the rendering time in photoshop for certain functions, then great buy PC.  But if that speed and price cuts into their creativity at all because the computers do not inspire or possiblly even interfere with creativity, then it would be a bad idea.  It just depends on each individual.


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#36 2003-06-15 2:05 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

OK, because it took awhile for scanner drives to arrive, XP is better?  I have not seen ONE XP vs. OS X comparison that favored Windows of Mac. 

You talk about hardware support?  There are plenty of feature Macs have standard that PCs don't: gigabit ethernet, FW800, digital displays, adopted faster wireless ahead of the pack, etc.  did you need read the thread about USB drives?  Win2K required a restart, XP required a reformat and unplugging the device is a pain, while OS 9 and X could read/write the drive right out of the box.

Did I ever say Steve Jobs is my hero?  Shut your troll ass up.  I don't like him.  Apple ads suck and marketshare has fallen under his leadership.  There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Microsoft constantly practices unethical business to become a monopoly and has been found guilty internationally... if that's not evil, I don't know what is.

And yeah, cheaper/faster isn't the only thing in computing.  When something is a little faster and sometimes cheaper, it doesn't make up for many many other areas.

1. Audio recording.  I'm not going to go into, but no PC user can argue that a Win XP machine is better for pro audio.  It's a fact.

2. Software. iApps, OS X, final cut pro, among others have no Windows equal.

3. Design.  People care what their computer looks and feels like.

4. Other hardware areas already mentioned.

eat my Mac, PC Guy.  Soon the 64-bit Mac uprising will send wintel trolls running.

REMs producers think AMD / Windows machines are better for audio, that's a fact. But what do REM's producers know?, it's not like they've won any awards or done much. I'm sure your opinion weighs in more heavly than theirs, afterall you're "Digi".

I'm sure there are a lot more who think that way too, hey.. I sell them workstations all the time here in Hollywood, imagine that.

Never seen the OS Deathmatch where the Cnet editors choose Win2K over OSX? I'm sure you could find it, it's there. And 64 bit?, uh.. haven't seen the quad Opteron's running Linux at the trade shows over the last year?

And as horrible as this thought is, I hope you walk around barefoot and ass-out, wearing clothes supports evil companys that use slave labor, torture animals, lay off parents near x-mas.. all that good nasty corperate stuff.

Macs don't get spyware? how about the Simpson virus? ever hear of a virus scanner or ad-aware? and you do know there are maybe 100 various case manufacturers that make all kinds of cases, right?

Drivers?, whats so hard about pressing the Windows update button, it looks for drivers too you know. Then again with so much more hardware to choose from, it can be a challenge to find the company website if you absolutely have to.

BTW it's amazing how such a crappy OS runs the world econemy, almost every buisness person, from cubicle monkey to CEO, uses a Windows computer, as do the vast majority of governments. With Windows as bad as you have convinced yourself it is, you'd think the govts would screetch to a halt and the world bank would crash, daily.

It's really not about the OS is it? 2K, XP, OSX, all modern, all robust, all stable, none perfect. Photoshop is photoshop, video crunches the same, music sounds the same in the end, web pages and e-mail show up the same. And Woz said it best, Mac OS would'nt be as good if it had 90% marketshare, smaller, in his opinion, means fewer problems.

It's about the hardware isn't it?,  that's why you're so bitter. You can get by with opining OSX is 'better', that's purely subjective, but not on the hardware. Hardware is not something subject to much opinion, x86 is less expensive, faster, more robust, offers more choice on the bleeding edge. The PC crowd gets it before you in more flavors and at a lot less... which was my point (you missed) as to why Intel has slowed, with such high performance so easily available and inexpensive, there's not a massive market for a 3.5 Ghz CPU that would cost hundreds more. It had nothing to do with Macs or Apple, but it did touch a nerve.

It's all about opinion, perception is reality. If you like Macs better, a Mac is better for you, if you think a tin foil hat will protect you from Bill Gates mind rays, it will. And that's fantastic, don't buy a PC, I'll never, and have not once told anyone to get a PC.

You, and the community here, would get your community panties in a crotch rotting wad if some random PC person posted the type of Mac FUD you just did...  Windows FUD is ok, it's community rah rah, Mac FUD is an insult. Must be nice to be a zealot and not have to worry about consistency or credibility.

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#37 2003-06-15 2:56 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

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#38 2003-06-15 3:18 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

REMs producers think AMD / Windows machines are better for audio, that's a fact...blah blah blah...

Same tired old arguments.  Yay, one washed up band from two decades ago uses a PC.  R.E.M. is far from being high-tech and they're not exactly popular right now either.  When was the last time they were in the top 100? 

You have NEVER ONCE convinced anyone that a PC is better in all of your posts, but you have wasted plenty of your own time trying.  That's funny.

So what are you going to do if The next PowerMac is 1.8 GHz IBM970 and stomps on a PC in performance?  Buy a Mac?

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#39 2003-06-15 3:51 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

ahhhhh

why do you come here, I would like to know.


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#40 2003-06-15 4:45 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

why do you come here, I would like to know.

Why do you not use the ignore functionality? I would like to know.

Actually no I wouldn't. JUST USE IT AND FEEL GOOD.


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#41 2003-06-15 4:57 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

So what are you going to do if The next PowerMac is 1.8 GHz IBM970 and stomps on a PC in performance?  Buy a Mac?

Wait for the 4Ghz. P4 of course! wink (j/k)

I don't really care myself. I'm still running mostly P3 hardware and have no complaints.

I'm interested in the 970 because I think it might be a turning point for apple on a few fronts. Its also long overdue and I think everyone on the mac platform is ready for the next big performance jump.

Get a 970 because you want one and love the mac. Give up on the 'better than intel' crap. Intel invented the microprocessor and its obvious they aren't going to just hand the crown of the industry over without a fight. They'll come on like a hell rolling freight train if they start to loose ground.

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#42 2003-06-15 5:15 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

To all you guys asleep in the back: he (she?) is a Mac User.

that's fantastic, don't buy a PC, I'll never, and have not once told anyone to get a PC.

And you know, he does bring up some valid points; don't be so quick to shut him down in the violent fashion you seem so privy to.


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#43 2003-06-15 5:38 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

nice quote, too bad you don't realize what context it was in.  AMD is a PC salesman, that's why he/she is here.

I own a dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac with 1 GB of DDR RAM, a DVR-105 4X DVD-RW drive, 2 WD 80 GB hard drives, and a Radeon 9000 Pro.  I like the iApps better than any windows equivelent, and I edit video with Final Cut Pro and Audio with Pro-Tools 6.  I also own a 2.6 GHz Pentium 4 PC with 1 GB of DDR, a Radeon 9000 Pro, etc. and guess what I use it for?  Games and nothing else.  Why?  The OS isn't as good, and it renders quicktime movies about half as fast. 

So tell me PC Trolls, what is ONE good reason I should convert to being PC only? 

There aren't any.

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#44 2003-06-15 6:25 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

why do you come here, I would like to know.

Why do you not use the ignore functionality? I would like to know.

Actually no I wouldn't. JUST USE IT AND FEEL GOOD.

I am not at the point were I think I should ignore him. I just want to know why he feels the need to come here. he comes off as not being a big fun of the Mac so why come to a forum call MacAddict. That's the good point to the internet. I don't have to go toa forum called DellAddict to talk computers.

If he what's to talk about all things computers he should go to Ars Technica that's what Durandal64 did.


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#45 2003-06-15 6:36 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

And you know, he does bring up some valid points; don't be so quick to shut him down in the violent fashion you seem so privy to.

I am certain that someone who seeks conflict does not mind "violence", if you can call it that(confused).


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#46 2003-06-15 6:51 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?


So tell me PC Trolls, what is ONE good reason I should convert to being PC only? 

There aren't any.

Price.


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#47 2003-06-15 8:04 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

That's the worst reason ever- I already own a computer.

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#48 2003-06-15 8:12 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

BTW it's amazing how such a crappy OS runs the world econemy, almost every buisness person, from cubicle monkey to CEO, uses a Windows computer, as do the vast majority of governments. With Windows as bad as you have convinced yourself it is, you'd think the govts would screetch to a halt and the world bank would crash, daily.

A crappy OS *does* carry (not run) the world economy, but it sure as hell isn't Windows.
What the cube droids are using doesn't change the fact that IBM mainframes are running all the banks of the world.

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#49 2003-06-15 9:14 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

BTW it's amazing how such a crappy OS runs the world econemy, almost every buisness person, from cubicle monkey to CEO, uses a Windows computer, as do the vast majority of governments. With Windows as bad as you have convinced yourself it is, you'd think the govts would screetch to a halt and the world bank would crash, daily.

I guess that's why government dose not work.

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#50 2003-06-15 9:30 pm

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Re: Has anyone else noticed Intel has slowed to a halt?

What the cube droids are using.....

Cube droids - I like that phrase.  I am going to use that, if it is ok with you, Coxy.

Besides, MS is already starting to collapse.  Just like IBM, there own arrogance and greed will doom them.


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