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#1 2003-07-15 7:24 pm

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Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

Ok.  Granted this bbs may not be the appropriate place to post something political but when National Security and computers collide . . . what else can I do?  The announcement that the Office of Homeland Security has decided to place its faith and our future in the hands of Microsoft is basically the icing on my cake of contempt for the current administration.  When Bush and Co. are busy covering their collective backsides, Tom Ridge is jumping on the MS bandwagon, placing Homeland Security in the hands of the platform most susceptible to viruses, trojan horses, etc.  Apparently, the peeps at OHS haven't seen the seemingly infinite stream of virus induced panics that have sweeped across many a Windows based network.  I wonder if the folks at OHS have stock in Microsoft?  Has anyone asked that question?  I think Tom Ridge and his associates need to come clean on what's in their portfolios.  After the security holes that have been found in Passport and every other product they've brought to market, I can't imagine why anyone would think this was a good idea.

Enjoy America while you can.  The next virus will bring us to our knees.


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#2 2003-07-16 2:03 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

The sad thing is that the Mac isn't really an option for a contract like this.  Do you think the DHS really want to buy 1000's of macs just to avoid doing buisness with MS?  They should have hired IBM or someone to run Linux on their systems.


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#3 2003-07-16 2:11 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

The sad thing is that the Mac isn't really an option for a contract like this.  Do you think the DHS really want to buy 1000's of macs just to avoid doing buisness with MS?  They should have hired IBM or someone to run Linux on their systems.

mmm, agreed.  It's sad when politics override what should be important government policy.  Granted, that whole department is a joke anyway.  I can't imagine it ever being productive.  Save, of course, the fact that's it's a nepotistic bureaucracy.

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#4 2003-07-16 2:13 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

It akin to having an IT deptartment run by the receptionist big_smile

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#5 2003-07-16 2:45 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

This is probably more a case of "computer = MS" perception most people other than we choosen ones have than any nefarious plot.


However, I think the title for this thread should be "Alert Level Blue' as in BSOD.

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#6 2003-07-16 3:45 pm

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I don't care how much influence MS might have, if you are looking to spend 100+ million on your computer systems, then you damn well better make the best choice.  Even if that means doing something that is aginast the norm.  Even if that norm happens to be MS...


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#7 2003-07-16 4:47 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

It akin to having an IT deptartment run by the receptionist big_smile

As a former receptionist, I resemble -- uh, resent -- that! lol

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#8 2003-07-16 4:55 pm

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#9 2003-07-16 5:38 pm

b_dubb
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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

BLACK . . . because black is the color of the heart that sells out public interest so the higher ups get to put a couple million in their bank account.

I'm not saying OHS (Office of Homeland Security) needs to be on board with Mac but that there are options.  Linux is better.  Mac OS X is a much better choice.  Four or five years ago, the US Army web site was hacked and defaced.  Tired of being the target of evil Peaceniks, the Army went to the W3C (World WIde Web Consortium) and asked "What's the most secure web server?"  W3C said Mac.  That was before Mac OS X.  TO my knowledge, they still host their site on a Mac.  Could be wrong.  Maybe someone can run down that tidbit of data.  But its scary when the US Military makes more intelligent decisions than  . . .  actually it probably doesn't matter.  ITs all one big bureaucratic cake batter.  I still think there should be an investigation to understand why MS was chosen. 

I think that TOm Ridge and his Department of Homeland MoneyPit is about the biggest joke going.  Color coded Terror Alerts?  Does anyone remember Garanimals?  A brand of kiddie clothes that had a system of matching shirts, pants, etc: match the animal on the shirt with the animal on the pant and  . . HEY!  . . . you've got a matching outfit.  I wonder if TOm RIdge wore Garanimals . . . . .

Today's Terror Alert is . . . 

RIDICULOUS.javascript:emoticon('lol')

But . . . as many a Bush spokesperson will say . . . we're safer now than on Sept. 10th.  Golly.

clairaudiant


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#10 2003-07-16 6:16 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

Admit to antitrust = get a 90Megabucks gubment deal!

What a country.

Like they usetah tell me in the Navy,

"Close enough for government work.."

''o))

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#11 2003-07-16 6:34 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

BLACK . . . because black is the color of the heart that sells out public interest so the higher ups get to put a couple million in their bank account.

Amusing.  And sadly true.  But let's keep in mind here -- The Department of Homeland Security was never, at any point, designed around public interest.  The government sells it as a means to 'Keep Americans safe an informed', but in reality it's the tool of a government that simply does not care about the Constitution it is supposed to uphold.  The DHS is evil.  Pure evil.  It's something straight out of the mind of George Orwell.  /rant


That being said, I have mixed feelings about them adopting Windows for all of their computing needs.  I'm sort of annoyed that they're spending taxpayer money on something so insecure; but then again, the government has been doing this for ages.  And really, $90million (I think that was the price) is very little when looking at the budget.  Still, seeing as they'll probably be collecting personal information on US citizens, it's a bit unnerving they'll be keeping it on Windows machines.  Then again, anything which will be unreliable and make life harder for those at DHS is something I'm happy about.  (and it's a pretty safe assumption Windows will make life harder for them) 

And it would be kind of nice to see the DHS's server/etc hacked.  It would be terribly amusing to watch someone make them look foolish by hacking their nice, shiny new Windows servers.

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#12 2003-07-16 6:57 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

Sheesh, all you negative-thinking people!   Look on the bright side!

We won't have to worry about the Office of Homeland Security keeping secret files on every American.  Hackers will be routinely downloading their databases and showing us all what they're up to!

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#13 2003-07-16 7:08 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

Admit to antitrust = get a 90Megabucks gubment deal!

What a country.

Good call.  Only in America where multibillion dollar companies can buy their way out of court and then get a 90Million $ contract (from the same gov, I might add), even after not complying with the court ruling.


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#14 2003-07-16 8:49 pm

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#15 2003-07-16 9:10 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

It's stories like this that make me wonder whether or not the United States government can still be called a Democratic Republic, as it seems that the people come second to corporations. On the one hand, it only makes sense for an organization whose sole purpose is to spy on American citizens to rely on such an unethical corporation for its needs. But what happened to all the funding that DARPA gave to OpenBSD? Is the OHS so bound to Microsoft that it will let all that money go to waste, and trust its operations to a company with such a horrible security record?
I think the time is ripe to move to Canada...     cry


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#16 2003-07-16 11:13 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

BLACK . . . because black is the color of the heart that sells out public interest so the higher ups get to put a couple million in their bank account.

It's something straight out of the mind of George Orwell.  /rant

have you read any Orwell?? I know that not everybody who likes to name drop has and frankly it pisses me off...almost as much as the neo-anarchists and their flaunting of Nietsche (who would have laughed at them) Theres alot more to Orwell than "Big Brother" and Apple TV spots


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#17 2003-07-16 11:37 pm

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

We haven't lived in a democracy for a very long time...

Live the fantasy folks, you wouldn't like the reality.

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#18 2003-07-17 12:03 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK


have you read any Orwell?? I know that not everybody who likes to name drop has and frankly it pisses me off...almost as much as the neo-anarchists and their flaunting of Nietsche (who would have laughed at them) Theres alot more to Orwell than "Big Brother" and Apple TV spots

i've read Orwell.  might be living it now that i think of it.  but you're right.  there's more to alot than alot.  actually, alot is a lot more  . . .  but i digress. 

i'm thankful that Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks had the cajones . . ahem . . to publicly disrespect our Dubbya.  when someone stands up in front of the world and says the President is charlatan, that pretty much proves that we're still in a quasi-democratic country.  of course, there are the obsequious masses who crush their expensive Dixie Chicks cd's w/ bulldozers.  whatever.  they're the same people who are signing off their civil liberties because they want to live in a perfectly SAFE world with zero risk.  i'll sign on for that fantasy.  what kind of meds do i have to take to live in that fantasy world?

what did Robin Williams say?  "Most people work hard and sacrifice for power and influence; other people get it for a graduation present." 

Robin Williams is flipping brilliant.


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#19 2003-07-17 12:42 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

America, Inc.

Wow, this realyy makes me sad. The whole anit-trust thing ended on a depressing note, and now this. Hey, it isn't because they aren't using Macs, but Microsoft???

Why does our government continue to insult our intellect with these heinous acts? Do they really think the majority of us are that stupid?

Oh.


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#20 2003-07-17 1:24 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

evil eek

The sad truth is that MS software may be perfect for Homeland Security, from the point of view that Homeland Security will use it to spy on you. Check this site out.

http://www.smurf.com/

The basic architectural point of MS software is to spy on you, or to allow for such things in the future. Why else would a software company go to such lengths to install so much code to track you and your activities? Why so many security problems - could it be that the point of the software is security breaches for a much larger future purpose?

Is it a coincidence that translations of the original Greek writings of the works later used to form the Bible use the word "compute" whereas it says that the number of the beast  (devil) can be computed as 666?

Assuming that someone wanted to suddenly move the "American" way of life toward a more totalitarian system what might be a good way to do that? Perhaps allow a large terrorist attack on America so as to rile up  the American people to allowing changes that would not normally be allowed or considered? (Sorta like Pearl Harbor - interesting how all the carriers were gone that day, the misplaced intelligence regarding the Japanese fleet, etc...)

Remember Apple's old 1984 commecial? Such a society comes into existence either by a violate act such as revolution or by careful planning over years, gradually changing this and that so that no one notices, then its too late. The Nazis did not come to power over night, but through well laid plans over the course of years, until it was too late.

Just look at certain areas of large cities, London for example, where it is impossible to venture around without be observed by a police camera. Computers, face recognition software, and the interenet are sure tools a world dictator would need to maintain power.

evil  eek

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#21 2003-07-17 1:34 am

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If you are going to read Orwell read Animal Farm - it goes hand-in-hand with 1984. I would suggest finding a book that explains who all the chracters are in real life (though this does not beat actually having an English class in which the teacher explains the chapters).

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#22 2003-07-17 1:37 am

jallykally
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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

evil eek

The sad truth is that MS software may be perfect for Homeland Security, from the point of view that Homeland Security will use it to spy on you. Check this site out.

http://www.smurf.com/

The basic architectural point of MS software is to spy on you, or to allow for such things in the future. Why else would a software company go to such lengths to install so much code to track you and your activities? Why so many security problems - could it be that the point of the software is security breaches for a much larger future purpose?

Is it a coincidence that translations of the original Greek writings of the works later used to form the Bible use the word "compute" whereas it says that the number of the beast  (devil) can be computed as 666?

Assuming that someone wanted to suddenly move the "American" way of life toward a more totalitarian system what might be a good way to do that? Perhaps allow a large terrorist attack on America so as to rile up  the American people to allowing changes that would not normally be allowed or considered? (Sorta like Pearl Harbor - interesting how all the carriers were gone that day, the misplaced intelligence regarding the Japanese fleet, etc...)

Remember Apple's old 1984 commecial? Such a society comes into existence either by a violate act such as revolution or by careful planning over years, gradually changing this and that so that no one notices, then its too late. The Nazis did not come to power over night, but through well laid plans over the course of years, until it was too late.

Just look at certain areas of large cities, London for example, where it is impossible to venture around without be observed by a police camera. Computers, face recognition software, and the interenet are sure tools a world dictator would need to maintain power.

evil  eek

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#23 2003-07-17 5:57 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

angel I recall seeing the military using Macs for their in the field work. Maybe they know something that the big wigs don't! big_smile


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#24 2003-07-17 9:54 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

evil eek

The sad truth is ..

Holy crap!  Is it just me, or was that a temporal loop!?

nerd

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#25 2003-07-17 10:18 am

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Re: Windows Homeland Insecurity - Alert Level BLACK

BLACK . . . because black is the color of the heart that sells out public interest so the higher ups get to put a couple million in their bank account.

It's something straight out of the mind of George Orwell.  /rant

have you read any Orwell?? I know that not everybody who likes to name drop has and frankly it pisses me off...almost as much as the neo-anarchists and their flaunting of Nietsche (who would have laughed at them) Theres alot more to Orwell than "Big Brother" and Apple TV spots

Alright, so I'm no scholar on the works of George Orwell (1984 & Animal Farm are about the extent of what I've read).  But still, it's far from a false analogy.  If you'd prefer, I could just as easily say 'It's like something right out of 1984' and still have it mean the same thing.  Point being, this isn't the first time, and it certainly won't be the last time that something like the DHS has been called 'Orwellian'.  It's not inaccurate.  But feel free to give me a better term, and I'll use that instead from now on.

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