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California is in a bad financial state at the moment, but so are most other states.  We get the press because CA just happens to be the most populated state.  However, things were pretty bad when I left WA state.  A huge budget deficit that, when you adjust for population, isn't much worse than CA's.  With the economy down, government revenue plummets and expenses rise.  People buy less - less sales tax revenue.  More unemployed - less income tax revenue and more jobless claims.

I'm not saying Davis is great, I certainly didn't vote for him (I didn't vote for the awful Bill Simon either, I voted independent).  He has a lot to answer for.  Basically what happened was the Republican candidate was so bad (and scandal-ridden as well), that most people decided to stick with the devil they know.   

I was approached by petitioners in Burbank, never in Hollywood (too liberal I guess?) or anywhere else.  I think most Californians never really thought the recall campaign had a chance for success.  Now it will be interesting to see what happens.

I don't blame Davis exclusively, the Republicans and Democrats in the legislature have been playing bullsmurf party politics for quite some time.  They refuse to work together and do their jobs.  I think come next election, we need a legislative recall and get those smurf, Rep and Dem alike, the hell out of there.

California is in a bad financial state at the moment, but so are most other states.  We get the press because CA just happens to be the most populated state.  However, things were pretty bad when I left WA state.  A huge budget deficit that, when you adjust for population, isn't much worse than CA's.  With the economy down, government revenue plummets and expenses rise.  People buy less - less sales tax revenue.  More unemployed - less income tax revenue and more jobless claims.

We have the same, albeit smaller scale, problem here in Virginia. people don't seem to understand that when the economy tanks, the state makes less money. However, demands on the state remain constant or increase. people still want roads repaired, university tuitions subsidized, teacher's pay increased, etc. etc.

Both Bush campaigns, with all the "no new taxes" rhetoric, has made the average stirrup-pants-Walmart shopper forget the basic rule of banking --- no deposits means no withdrawals. Unless of course we spend credit and run up a deficit, say 450,000,000,000 or so....

Both sides have smurfed it all up. But Davis is still an idiot, and I'm happy to see him go. Or maybe they should keep him. CA is packed to the rafters with yuppies that could use a good humbling.

Washington has a deficit, but it isn't so bad now. They've dealt with it in the legislature. The gas tax was raised from 5 cents to 13 cents, which is pretty irritating since gas prices are already high. This is where I disagree with the CA Repubs. Taxes will have to go up in CA. Programs will need to be slashed as well. I think that both sides are blind in seeing that both realities will only need to last so long. Once CA gets a surplus again, they can lower the taxes and shore the programs back up. Both sides are incompetent in this issue.

The liberals on this forum amaze me; they show how truly sheepishly partisan they are. Their attacks on the recall are totally weak.

"They had peteitions at Wal*Mart!"
"Bush has a deficit too!"
"The Republicans are stealing the election again!"

Liberals only like political freedom when they use it, otherwise it's "facism". The example that represents the entire liberal perspective on freedom is that actor who was badmouthed for speaking against Bush, then he actually got on TV an accused his critics of censoring him! Amazing!

The liberals on this forum amaze me; they show how truly sheepishly partisan they are. Their attacks on the recall are totally weak.

"They had peteitions at Wal*Mart!"
"Bush has a deficit too!"
"The Republicans are stealing the election again!"

Liberals only like political freedom when they use it, otherwise it's "facism". The example that represents the entire liberal perspective on freedom is that actor who was badmouthed for speaking against Bush, then he actually got on TV an accused his critics of censoring him! Amazing!

The conservatives in this forum amaze me. They seem utterly incapable of referring to liberals except in all-encompassing absolutist terms, nor of looking at their own party in anything but the most positive (even victimized!) light. Amazing!

The liberals on this forum amaze me; they show how truly sheepishly partisan they are.

Liberals only like political freedom when they use it, otherwise it's "facism". The example that represents the entire liberal perspective on freedom is that actor who was badmouthed for speaking against Bush, then he actually got on TV an accused his critics of censoring him! Amazing!

Conservatives on this forum amaze me.  They show me how truly sheepishly partisan they are.

Conservatives only like less government when it's convenient for them.  Otherwise, they're happy with their corporate welfare and their Christianity being forced on everyone.

...nor of looking at their own party in anything but the most positive (even victimized!) light. Amazing!

The Republican party is not my party. I never defended them in that post, I just defended the recall.

I know nothing about any Bill Mahr, except that he got his show cut because he got too rowdy or something.

Still, all I got was the liberals whining "you're generalizing us! steryotypes!!! I'm a human not a label! Peace man!!!".

Their argument amounts to a bunch of ridiculous nitpicking that mostly doesn't even  address the issue. The only point one made that made any sense was the Wal Mart petition thing, but even that is completely ridiculous.

Still, all I got was the liberals whining "you're generalizing us! steryotypes!!! I'm a human not a label! Peace man!!!".

Their argument amounts to a bunch of ridiculous nitpicking that mostly doesn't even  address the issue. The only point one made that made any sense was the Wal Mart petition thing, but even that is completely ridiculous.

Dude...maybe 3 (if that) people even responded to you.

Settle down.  Just because one or two people pissed you off (as myself and others have mentioned, a lot of Democrats want Davis gone, too) doesn't mean you should condemn an entire group (or whatever you perceive "liberals" to be).

(note:  this message applies to ClayH, not to any other "conservatives" on the board).

(oh, and Bill Maher has a show on HBO, still alive and kickin').

Wow. What hypocracy. "The conservatives on this board lump all liberals into one group!" Way to lump all the conservatives on this board into one group. I consider myself conservative, but I try to stay away from generalizing the entire left. I usually focus on the radical nut jobs.

Yet, twice now, in this very thread, you yourself have had no problem generalizing the population of California as follows:

"CA is packed to the rafters with yuppies"

"That's what happens when your state is full of nuts, yuppies, and celebrities."

Can you explain why you feel it's OK to do so with all Californians (who you flat out can't possibly know in any way, shape or form) but not the esteemed members of this forum (whom one could get a fair grasp of by what they've posted)?

Also worth noting is that the generalizations ELB is referring to (from SS and Tallgeese) are deliberately ironic.

I seriously doubt that conservative even GET irony.

Oh Christ, that thing again.

Yeah, MysticCow.  That is annoying and not clever.