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The Iraqis here in Atlanta wanted to see the bodies.
I tried to find the story on line at ajc.com

Here in Portland as well.

So, literacy and mathematics aside, you're telling me that most Iraqis don't know that photopraphs can depict lies?

So, literacy and mathematics aside, you're telling me that most Iraqis don't know that photopraphs can depict lies?

Nope. I am saying that most Iraqi's couldn't tell you what the square root of 4 is...

But you miss another point... It was the Iraqi's themselves who requested to see the pictures. So if it is against their religion/culture/whatever, why did they specifically ask us for pictures?

Thank you. Now shut your hole islay.

Well, no outright requests, but there was a healthy dose of skepticism, which we all know is best cured by good evidence. For example.

Yo, blow up boy, If you bothered to read you'll know that dental records are sufficient proof. I also believe that the death of Saddam's sons are consistent with the aims of this administration. . . and frankly, their deaths are no big deal.

In the whole context of the last 12 years Saddam's death are no big deal. . . as far as I'm concerned, and probably anybody with a brain in Washington, it's just propaganda. . . Oh. . . mmmmm. . . another couple of criminals bite the big one. . . next. . . I agree with Jaligard, it's a non-story.

. . . propaganda, my boy.

What you specifically said was that people asked for proof and, when they were shown it, were subsequently revolted and whined about it. . . which is just some crap you made up to paint people with whom you don't agree as whiners.

So, you are appauled by the pictures of Uday and Qusay you say? How did you feel when Al-Jazeera showed pictures and video of dead (and captured) US soldiers?

You really are beneath contempt, do you know that? Are you insinuating that I'm glad that US soldiers were killed. . . or that I'm more apalled by Iraqi deaths than American deaths?

I don't like killin' period, Oolatec. Are you really so bloody stupid that you have to resort to baseless accusations of anti Americanism to attempt to substantiate some non-argument which you've probably not thought too deeply about? It only shows me that if we sink into fascism, you'll be right there with your little jack booted blow up doll. . .

. . . and here we get back to that basic question. . . would you say that directly to my face?

So islay, you were willing to believe the Government when they said they killed Uday and Qusay, without giving a shred of evidence? Tell me, since you didn't require actual proof that we did indeed kill them... did you look at the pictures? If you did, why did you?

No, I did not look at the pictures. I suppose that if you really wanted to get philosophical. . . there's absolutely NOTHING that would serve as absolute proof because I've never seen Uday or Qusay, I don't know them, and really I would have no way of identifying them even if I was taken into a room and shown the bodies in person. So. . . what we have is a question of philosophy, right?

I guess my question is, What is your point? I believe it because dental records are sufficient proof in addition the fact that I couldn't identify these two from photos. These two are just a couple of brutal criminals. and the administration's really got nothing but two dead criminals. . . oh wow. . . they're dead. . . and (as yet) the administration's not basing any other fantastical claims branch from this.

The thing is, the administration knows it'a a big piece of propaganda, but that's all it is. Aside from that, it's quite inconsequential, really, and it you had any subtlety of intellect, you'd realize it too. I think that the administration's understands that you'll accept this as evidence (or in your thinking, proof) that they're on the up and up with regard to the whole enterprise. . . sad. . . people like you will accept this and then postulate it as a given.

The reason I object to the photos on US TV is that I thought we'd evolved past the stage where we needed to display the heads of political and military opponents on pikes in a public square. It's propaganda. It's sensationalistic. It's vulgur and grotesque. That's all.

The idea that you'd attempt to fabricate some politically polarized fiction, for me, means one or both of two things. . . that you're a liar who's just bashing away, or you're an idiot, who's incapable of separating between the issues of proof and aesthetics.

The point of doing this was to prove to people in Iraq that they are, in fact, dead.

Well. . . d-uh. . .

Neut, As I write this I'm going through the thread looking for posts expressing skepticism of the administration's claim that Uday and Qusay are dead.

What I do see, Neut, in the first two pages, is Your repeated expression of the ideat that they're to prove to skeptics. . . you're the one who claims that hardcore skeptics may doubt, even in the face of the pics. . . you even make a reference:

Maybe it was for the scores of hardcore anti-Bush Minithinkers would would happily believe that Bush is lying about this as well.

Several people, NoKX, Shnicky, and RU address the issue of the need for photographs as proof. The closest we get to skepticism here is RU's opinion that since the admin. has shown itself to be untrustworthy, they feel the need for photos.

I have just finished. . . six pages and no overt expression of doubt.

Obviously, reading comprehension is not your long suit.

islay, so you are saying that our Government going on TV and saying "Dental records have proven that these are Saddam's sons." is good enough for you?  Sure...

I can hear it now... if that's all the proof we gave, you would be saying it was a lie and that you wanted pictures. You aren't fooling anyone.

The past administration didn't know the definition of "is".

islay, so you are saying that the Administration saying "We have dental records of both men, and the match." would have been good enough for you? I don't understand you long-winded posts... it is a yes or no question.

"YES" ! ! I said so in several of my earlier posts, as well.

Do you understand what I feel are the problems with photos as opposed to dental records?

. . . that photos can be faked. . . that dental records are unique identifiers?

Liar... then you would be writing more long-winded posts about how we forged the dental records. 

Well, if the pics weren't doctored up before, they sure as hell are now.

Did you see the plastic surgery job they did? 

Sheesh.  That was dumb.  I'm not sure, but I think they killed Michael Jackson.

Anyway, it irks me that people believe that A.  we had substantial evidence to warrant an invasion and B. we needed these pics because good proof is essential.  A or B I can deal with, not both.  :disappointed:

You keep playing the "no satisfying some people" card, and I'm not sure why.



You're not actually saying that the bodies post-... post.... enhancement?  reconstruction?  well, whatever word for it.  You're not actually saying that they are more convincing now than they were before are you?

You all missed my post on page four. The Administration is not showing these photos. The news media outlets are showing these photos. The Administration simply released them to the news media.

Ah.  That's much better.  How was the administration supposed to know that releasing photos to the media would eventually end up having the pics all over the TV and internet.

For the Administration to do it any-other way would have been seen as unfair and questionable.

They pushed the whole concept for war and Iraqi occupation without concrete evidence, why should they start now?  There is the big problem that I have with the whole thing.  Why all of the sudden is the US Gov't offering such proof now?  Why not last january?

Maybe it was for the scores of hardcore anti-Bush Minithinkers would would happily believe that Bush is lying about this as well.

Several people, NoKX, Shnicky, and RU address the issue of the need for photographs as proof. The closest we get to skepticism here is RU's opinion that since the admin. has shown itself to be untrustworthy, they feel the need for photos.

I have just finished. . . six pages and no overt expression of doubt.

That was a joke. You know, sarcasm?

"Ha-ha, Minithink is a hellhole of festering Bush-haters, and the mod is an unthinking convervative Christian" That was sarcasm too. Lighten up, some people here take themselves way too seriously.

<generalized thought, not directly about this thread> I don't see why people are always in such a rush to be offended, just shrug the things off that don't matter, and let 'em slide. This place would be a lot more productive....