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#51 2003-08-15 3:50 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
God said homosexuality is wrong so i'd just drop it at that, personally.
I just spoke to God and he's still waiting for you to remove that sinful photo from your avatar.
I see nothing wrong with his avatar, from a Christian point of view. God made boobies and pretty girls. It's all ok. Unless you get into the lust part, as was pointed out.
Well clearly God the Father is more religious than you are, Neut.

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#52 2003-08-15 4:00 pm
- SpacemanSpiff
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Where are you going to start? Is it "Catholics worship Mary" or maybe "confession isn't in the Bible" ? Maybe you'll pull some wonderful "facts" from Jack Chick to support your arguments!
Here, here's some help:
"Are Roman Catholics Christians?
LAST RITES (ooh, spooky!)
The DEATH COOKIE! (always a fun one, it puts Art Bell to shame!)
Okay, that served little or no purpose. Look, I'm not in the mood to debate. I simply like to post and run. Hey, but it's nice to get a "quote" every now and then.
And my arguments are way deeper than some 15 cent Bible tract.
Back to your lives citizens. nothing to see....
"The first time one sees natural beauty which is privately owned; oceans as people's back yards, confounds the senses. I didn't know God had a a toy store for the rich." -- Spanglish
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#53 2003-08-15 4:02 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
I'm not really sure what there is to debate...Catholicism most certainly fits into the definition of Christian. My entire family is Catholic, and they are all about the Jesus, I promise.

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#54 2003-08-15 4:02 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Look, I'm not in the mood to debate. I simply like to post and run.
In that case... *click*
you're worthless in a debate-centered forum.
Hey Neut, could you let me know if he posts anything worthwhile from now on?
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#55 2003-08-15 4:03 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
I'm not really sure what there is to debate...Catholicism most certainly fits into the definition of Christian. My entire family is Catholic, and they are all about the Jesus, I promise.
Hey bratboy, read those Chick tracts I linked to if you think that everyone thinks that Catholics fit the definition of Christian. There are some nutty fundamentalists out there.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#56 2003-08-15 4:11 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Hey bratboy, read those Chick tracts I linked to if you think that everyone thinks that Catholics fit the definition of Christian. There are some nutty fundamentalists out there.
Oh I'm sure they don't...but it really means little to me, I don't believe any of it anyway.

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#57 2003-08-15 4:13 pm
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You should still read the chick tracts for fun, anyway. Everyone with any sense of humor should read them, they're hilarious. There's something for everyone! (by that I mean that for everyone, there is something to tell them that they're going to hell unless they sign the back of the tract)
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#58 2003-08-15 4:26 pm
- SpacemanSpiff
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
You should still read the chick tracts for fun, anyway. Everyone with any sense of humor should read them, they're hilarious. There's something for everyone! (by that I mean that for everyone, there is something to tell them that they're going to hell unless they sign the back of the tract)
No wait am I still on ignore? Cause I actually agree. the whole tract mentality to "witnessing" is a hoot to say the least: [sarcasm]I know, I'll leave 10 little pages of hacked together information and win souls for God![/sarcasm]
Look, I spent, literally years arguing over who was going to heaven or not and I learned one simple thing: If your old enough to have an intelligent discussion, it's too late to change your mind. We have chosen our respective beliefs and few things will change.
I still like to debate other topics but only because other subjects are "funner" to debate. Religion, No fun anymore.
And if the Catholics aren't Christian stance doesn't suit you, that's okay you can believe whatever you want. Sometime later we can have a beer and talk about football or something.
Oh and can someone tell Tallgeese what I said?
"The first time one sees natural beauty which is privately owned; oceans as people's back yards, confounds the senses. I didn't know God had a a toy store for the rich." -- Spanglish
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#59 2003-08-15 4:51 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, the crucifixion of Christ... when you sum it all up, the Bible's primary theme is that mankind must make choices that dictate its fate, good or bad. That's why Jesus died -- to erase original sin and let humanity start over with a clean slate. It's up to the individual to decide whether they're going to sin or not, and to accept the consequences afterward.
Therefore, I find it extremely un-Christian for religious groups to take away mankind's right to choose, especially by lobbying government law-makers. Forcing people not to sin goes against everything Christianity is supposed to represent. The blessed are supposed to be willful individuals who actively decide to follow a righteous path, not mindless sheep afraid of an invisible monster in the sky.
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#60 2003-08-15 4:54 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Therefore, I find it extremely un-Christian for religious groups to take away mankind's right to choose, especially by lobbying government law-makers. Forcing people not to sin goes against everything Christianity is supposed to represent. The blessed are supposed to be willful individuals who actively decide to follow a righteous path, not mindless sheep afraid of an invisible monster in the sky.
Bravo!

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#61 2003-08-15 5:07 pm
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I think many of you are making the same error in blaming religion for dislike (and outright hatred) of homosexuals. It isn't just 'churchgoers' only that have this attitude. If you could magically snap your fingers and make gay marriage legal, what do you think would change?
There will still be a segment of the population that finds the thought of homosexual relations disgusting just on personal instinct. That's a reality that needs to be faced. It isn't going to go away anytime soon either.
Do your part to combat global warming.
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#62 2003-08-15 5:10 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
There will still be a segment of the population that finds the thought of homosexual relations disgusting just on personal instinct. That's a reality that needs to be faced. It isn't going to go away anytime soon either.
I'd say it has a lot more to do with society and a lot less to do with 'instinct.'
As far as the bit about marriage...I'm not really expecting anything to go away, nor do I care. I have absolutely no trouble surrounding myself with intelligent, non-bigoted people. Everyone else can smurf off, for all I care. It's not about acceptance, it's about what I feel is fair to me, as an American, under the law.
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#63 2003-08-15 5:10 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
I think many of you are making the same error in blaming religion for dislike (and outright hatred) of homosexuals. It isn't just 'churchgoers' only that have this attitude. If you could magically snap your fingers and make gay marriage legal, what do you think would change?
There will still be a segment of the population that finds the thought of homosexual relations disgusting just on personal instinct. That's a reality that needs to be faced. It isn't going to go away anytime soon either.
Bravo!

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#64 2003-08-15 5:12 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
It isn't just 'churchgoers' only that have this attitude.
And you're right...but they're the ones who often believe that they have an legitimate excuse for harboring such an attitude.
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#65 2003-08-15 5:31 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
It isn't just 'churchgoers' only that have this attitude.
And you're right...but they're the ones who often believe that they have an legitimate excuse for harboring such an attitude.
Well, as you know, religion for a lot of people is just an easy "back-up" for an argument:
Society: I want to do this.
religion: You can't do that.
Society: Why not, I'm not hurting anyone?
religion: Because my "book" says you can't
Society: Your gonna have to do better than that
religion: No I don't.
Whatever happen to thinking for yourself?
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#66 2003-08-15 9:51 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Well clearly God the Father is more religious than you are, Neut
Well, obviously.
But how did you come to that conclusion?
And Tallgeese, you can take SpacemanSpiff off ignore now. He said something smart.
Cross over the cell bars, find a new maze, make the maze from it's path, find the cell bars, cross over the bars, find a maze, make the maze from its path, eat the food, eat the path.
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#67 2003-08-15 9:53 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
okay.
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#68 2003-08-15 9:53 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Well, obviously.
But how did you come to that conclusion?
And Tallgeese, you can take SpacemanSpiff off ignore now. He said something smart.
I read it in that big book he apparently wrote all by himself.
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#69 2003-08-15 9:53 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, the crucifixion of Christ... when you sum it all up, the Bible's primary theme is that mankind must make choices that dictate its fate, good or bad. That's why Jesus died -- to erase original sin and let humanity start over with a clean slate. It's up to the individual to decide whether they're going to sin or not, and to accept the consequences afterward.
Therefore, I find it extremely un-Christian for religious groups to take away mankind's right to choose, especially by lobbying government law-makers. Forcing people not to sin goes against everything Christianity is supposed to represent. The blessed are supposed to be willful individuals who actively decide to follow a righteous path, not mindless sheep afraid of an invisible monster in the sky.
You're neat.

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#70 2003-08-15 9:54 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
I read it in that big book he apparently wrote all by himself.
But where does God say that boobs are bad? I don't think God has the slightest problem with people hanging out (as it were) naked. As long as no lust is involved.
Edited because I misspelled "God"

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#71 2003-08-15 9:55 pm
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I get going really easily when people say "Catholics aren't Christians." My freshman year roommate was a fundamentalist who thought that. I also run into it every so often and it pisses me off. Also, well aware that we'd run into those idiots, my theology teachers in high school well prepared us to argue our case 
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#72 2003-08-15 9:56 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
Did you read what Spiff wrote Tallgeese?
Cross over the cell bars, find a new maze, make the maze from it's path, find the cell bars, cross over the bars, find a maze, make the maze from its path, eat the food, eat the path.
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#73 2003-08-15 9:56 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
aye
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#74 2003-08-15 9:57 pm
- Neut
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Neat.
Jack Chick is hilarious I think. At least he would be is he wasn't serious.
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#75 2003-08-15 10:00 pm
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Re: Archbishop condemns Vatican propaganda
I read it in that big book he apparently wrote all by himself.
But where does God say that boobs are bad? I don't think God has the slightest problem with people hanging out (as it were) naked. As long as no lust is involved.
Edited because I misspelled "God"![]()
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Oh please...I'm sure some fundie can find whatever you'd like to have condemned somewhere in there.
Why shouldn't we follow whatever societal do's and don't existed thousands of years ago? Oh yes, because GOD wrote them down then.

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