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#1 2003-09-03 8:47 pm

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Republican National Convention to be held...

At the World Trade Center.  On September 11th (2004).

Or so I hear.  Perhaps it's to be near the WTC site.

Is this tasteful or tasteless to use the tragic memory of America's worst terrorist attack to promote your political agenda?  I think it's on the tacky and insensitive side myself.

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#2 2003-09-03 8:51 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

I heard this idea was floated around but ultimately ditched. Maybe that's changed. Do you have a current source?

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#3 2003-09-03 8:52 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Agreed.

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#4 2003-09-03 8:53 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

If that is true, then the policy of using fear to manipulate the population, a-la Moore, is so true.

Beyond that, it is unbelievably crass and disrespectful to campaign literally on the graves of the dead.


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#5 2003-09-03 8:53 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

I'll search for a link.  I heard it on the radio this afternoon.

It looks likely:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/200 … -8542r.htm

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#6 2003-09-03 8:58 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

And just to pre-empt some of the imminent bullsmurf I feel coming on: I would also think this was crass/tasteless/dumb/disgusting/etc. if it were the Democrats doing it.

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#7 2003-09-03 9:04 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

If they do that... Well, it'd be just wrong. down


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#8 2003-09-03 9:04 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

I'll search for a link.  I heard it on the radio this afternoon.

It looks likely:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/200 … -8542r.htm

According to that, the convention will be held in MSG, which is a smurfload better than what I'd originally heard, which was that there were planning on having it basically right on top of the WTC site. Still, it is a little shifty to pick NYC (edit: in September, while the party continues to incessantly invoke the memory of Sept 11 as a means of manipulating the public) for their convention.

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#9 2003-09-03 9:05 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Err, since when did Madison Square Garden become the WTC?
Christ, you all act like political conventions were unheard of in New York.
frankly, I don't remember what the usual month is so I'll give you crass for holding it in Sept.


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#10 2003-09-04 1:24 am

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

This will actually be the latest a national convention has been opened since at least 1856. The Democrats came closest in 1864 with an August 29 opening. Bill Clinton opened the Democratic Convention in 1996 on August 26th. The earliest--since 1856--was April 23, 1860 (Democrats). The trend has been later and later openings since the mid 1800s.

Since at least 1972, the incumbent (or incumbent party) has traditionally held a later convention than the challenger. Nixon had his after his challenger in '72. Ford had his after Carter in '76. Carter had his after Reagan's in 1980. And Reagan and Bush both held their's after their challengers in '84, '884 and '92. Clinton had his after Dole's in '96 and Gore had his in mid-August last election (opposed to late July/early August for Bush).

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Some important things to note:

Bush has so far used August as a working vacation where he lives at his Texas ranch and does light campaigning in Western states every year of his presidency. This seems to be the plan for next year as well.

After a party declares their presidential candidate, that candidate receives campaign funds from the federal government--probably on the order of $70 million dollars. (It was $65 mil in '92--I have no idea what it is now.) By holding the convention later, Bush will get to spend his primary campaign funds longer. He's expected to raise a ton of money and still use the federal funds for his official campaign. The later he has his convention, the more focused his expenditures can be afterwards.

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Anyway, New York City in September? How long is this guy going to milk such a spectacular failure? On September 11th, 2001, over 3,000 Americans died while he was President. That's not something he should use to invoke support. Point the fingers where you want, he failed to protect those people.


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#11 2003-09-04 1:34 am

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Oh, and this will be the first time the Republicans have held a national convention in New York City. The Democrats have done so five times.


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#12 2003-09-04 2:51 am

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

The republican party must make this pilgramage to this site of complete tragedy to aid in their summoning of evil spirits in order to win more elections.

How the heck do you think Dick Cheyney's still alive? That guy was around when humanity invented the death penalty.

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#13 2003-09-04 12:03 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

How long is this guy going to milk such a spectacular failure? On September 11th, 2001, over 3,000 Americans died while he was President. That's not something he should use to invoke support. Point the fingers where you want, he failed to protect those people.

The president (of either political persuasion) does not decide where or when to hold a convention. 

Perhaps if Clinton had acted upon Bin Laden during his eight years as Commander in Chief the attacks would not have happened.  Sudan offered him and a huge amount of data about his terrorist network up to us, and the administration did nothing.  Zero.  Zilch.  Nada.  They saw terrorist attacks on our soil as investigations for the FBI, not the CIA.  They had all hearings about terrorism held in grand juries, the testimony of which is not available for the perusal of our intelligence agencies. 

[deep, deep sarcasm]Yeah.  You're right.  It's all Bush's fault.[/deep, deep sarcasm]


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#14 2003-09-04 12:13 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

For every criticism of Bush there results an equal or more intense criticism of Clinton.

It's a mathematical certainty.


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#15 2003-09-04 12:41 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

And for every incorrect attribution there will be clarification.  I guess it just depends upon your point of view.


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#16 2003-09-04 12:45 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

You're the one who brought up Clinton. Where's the clarification? I think you mean non sequitur.


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#17 2003-09-04 12:59 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Jaligard attributed the deaths of 3,000 people to the current president.  I clarified that this might not have happened if the prior president had acted in an appropriate manner that these people need not have died.

Clearer for you?


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#18 2003-09-04 1:06 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Jaligard attributed the deaths of 3,000 people to the current president.  I clarified that this might not have happened if the prior president had acted in an appropriate manner that these people need not have died.

Clearer for you?

What does this have to do with the 2003 Republican National Convention?

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#19 2003-09-04 1:15 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Must I connect the dots for you?  Have you not read the thread?  Just in case you have not, I will give you a brief synopsis. 

Republican convention is brought up.  Location of convention is brought up.  Jaligard claims that the president (who, according to him, decides where the convention will be held) is using the deaths of 3,000 people, which he failed to prevent (another way of saying he caused) to promote the convention, and therefore, his reelection bid.

I refuted the bit about the president being the one who picks the location of the convention.  Then I proposed that if the prior president had acted in a manner befitting the Commander in Chief these 3,000 deaths might not have occurred. 

Jaligard opened the door.  I walked through it.  Is that crystal clear for you?


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#20 2003-09-04 1:20 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

WavesLA:

It was actually "registered_user" who tried to castigate the Repblican National Committee with his post:

registered_user said "At the World Trade Center. On September 11th (2004). Or so I hear"

registered_user seems to be constantly hurling unfounded insults at either the President, the administration, or the party. In point of fact, whether the RNC chooses NYC or Nome, Alaska to hold its convention is determined more by Delegate participation than by symbology and site preference.  Having attended planning meetings for the party convention through state delegates, I can tell you first hand that site preference takes a back seat to  delegate arrangements.

WavesLA: I also appreciate you statement  "I clarified that this might not have happened if the prior president had acted in an appropriate manner that these people need not have died"... I have come to believe that Bubba will forever be known as the teflon president: the disgusting legacy of this letch refuses to be tarnished, even when the real truth of Bubba has surfaced. Hopefully some of his evil will stick to his political heir: Queen Hillary!

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#21 2003-09-04 1:41 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Republican convention is brought up.  Location of convention is brought up.  Jaligard claims that the president (who, according to him, decides where the convention will be held) is using the deaths of 3,000 people, which he failed to prevent (another way of saying he caused) to promote the convention, and therefore, his reelection bid.

I refuted the bit about the president being the one who picks the location of the convention.  Then I proposed that if the prior president had acted in a manner befitting the Commander in Chief these 3,000 deaths might not have occurred.

Okay, the Sudan thing is bullsmurf. The guy who offered Bin Laden up did not have Bin Laden to offer. He was not someone to take seriously.

Two, failing to prevent is not the same as causing. I'm not suggesting the Bush caused the World Trade Center attacks.

Three, if you think they're using New York City for any reason other than the attacks, you're fooling yourself.

Four, this is highly disrespectful of everyone who died on September 11th. They're going to use it as a rallying cry to win votes for our President, who--like it or not--was the highest executive officer when the attacks occurred. We failed to prevent this and he was in charge. Three years after the attacks, he's still using their deaths to further his career. But you won't hear Bush say that. You won't hear him say, "It was my job to protect those people and I failed." But, amazingly, it was his job and he did fail.


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#22 2003-09-04 1:52 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Jaligard said:

"Three, if you think they're using New York City for any reason other than the attacks, you're fooling yourself..."

You have anything realistic to base such a stupid assessment? Not only is such a statement inflamatory rhetoric, you are stupidly assuming the RNC can just hold a convention anywhere it chooses without delegate input.

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#23 2003-09-04 1:58 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Jaligard attributed the deaths of 3,000 people to the current president.  I clarified that this might not have happened if the prior president had acted in an appropriate manner that these people need not have died.

Clearer for you?

...and if the CIA had not trained Osama Bin Laden, then the attack may not have accured either.

It's like a stupid game of telephone, or the current "sing Sing Sing" thread in Unplugged. In other words, it can go on ad nauseum, and is easier to avoid when you stick to the subject at hand.

To clarify, what may have caused the 3000 deaths at the WTC DOES NOT change the fact that the RNC may be trying to capitalize on those deaths.

Clearer for you too?


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#24 2003-09-04 2:07 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

Nope.  Sorry.  I'm not a conspiracy theorist.  It very well could be that the convention will be in NYC because of the many things NYC has to offer such as ample space for the convention, plenty of hotel rooms, the fact that NYC is, typically, a liberal bastion, and this would be a good way to get the message of the Republican Party across to those who would otherwise not hear it.

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#25 2003-09-04 2:08 pm

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Re: Republican National Convention to be held...

registered_user seems to be constantly hurling unfounded insults at either the President, the administration, or the party. In point of fact, whether the RNC chooses NYC or Nome, Alaska to hold its convention is determined more by Delegate participation than by symbology and site preference.  Having attended planning meetings for the party convention through state delegates, I can tell you first hand that site preference takes a back seat to  delegate arrangements.

I wonder if there's a correlation between my "unfounded" insults and the guy in the White House.  Oh, that's right.  A Republican is in the White House.  If Clinton were still there, I'd be "constantly hurling unfounded insults" at him too, but how could you know that?  You're too busy apologizing.

Now, are you suggesting that the RNC being held in September in NYC is to make it easy for delegates?  Are you suggesting that in the entire existence of the Republican party they are just learning now that September in NYC is the most convenient for their delegates?  I find that improbable at best.

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