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there's not even any scientific proof that evolution occurred.  it's just the only other explanation other than "God did it".  no physical proof of evolution whatsoever.

...and your proof of creationism comes from the bible?  The study of biology on this planet lends itself MUCH, MUCH more towards evolution than 'and God said let their be giraffes.'

You obviously take it as verbatim (which totally blows my mind), so I suppose there's no purpose to even have this conversation.



Do you believe that dinosaurs existed?

First creator then creation.

Big bang = creation (not creator).
Before big bang > creator.


Tired now, will post tomorrow.

Oh-oh
Roc-Kit just became "Michael Jackson's Plastic Surgeon".
Was that evolution?

Dinosaurs?

Did you forget a reference to an animal in Job? (40:15-24).

Granted, it doesn't say dinosaur, but does it have to?  The reference here is to an animal that we haven't identified, a behemoth.

Why couldn't it be a dinosaur?

let's take it apart shall we?

according to the evolutionary theory...  life came from something (they haven't figured that part out yet)

(simplified) methane and ammonia and hydrogen and carbon dioxide and etc plus heat

, and then somehow, that one "organisim" managed to live and duplicate with itself.

I don't suppose you've ever taken a biology course and seen how single celled organisms THAT EXIST EVEN TODAY divide in half to produce new single celled life

then because being an organisim floating around wasn't adequate, it decided to grow fins and gills and because it knew it needed to see, it grew eyes.

yeah, just like I decided to go get some milk today because I was out.  mutations, thousands-no-trillions of them.  some good (the heart of evolution) some bad (I'll refrain from posting insults here).  the mutations brought on by reproduction cause the diversification and new species we see today

then, living in the water wasn't cutting it, so after a few million years of flopping onto land, it grew lungs and fur and/or scales.

yep, all those fish flopping around on land for millions of years got together and thought up lungs.  as was posted before, slowly creatures developed features that allowed them to out-reproduce those less fortunate creatures.  these better skills were spread as the superior creatures out produced the inferior.  slowly, these features gained the larger achievements of being able to stay on land.  I'm sure it started slowly (ie. creature can go on land but only for short amounts of time)

some decided to become really slow sloths, some into mosquitos that just live for a day, some into birds after millions of years of attempting to be airborn, and now we have all the billions of species all over the globe we have today.

again, these weren't decisions but mutations and feature evolution.

and yeah, what about the dinosaurs!?

personally I see it like this:
while I don't specifically believe in a god, I'm not ruling out the possibility.  perhaps, the bible specifies creation as it happened the way it portrays everything else.  in parable.  I do not believe that every event in the bible happened.  much of it is stories passed on forever and consolidated into one book.  where religion fits in for me is the values.  not the fear of god.  not the damnation of hell.  not the thou shalts and shalt nots.  if you look at it as an ethics book, there is a lot of good stuff portrayed in strange ways.

which brings me to evolution and all that.  why not see creation as the first step of evolution?  maybe it was a god that gave that needed spark or heated up the "small warm pool" to the right temperature.

I just can't understand the view that fossils are the trick of the devil.

why don't you see fossils of the intermediary steps?  who says that what you see are the plateaus where evolution slowed down with a set species?  who says that evolution even does that?  there are plenty of fossil records of man and other creatures that show relations of bone structure, etc.  plus, there's a whole boat load of land out there to search.  plenty of room for other fossils to be.  and plenty of fossils that have already turned into oil or been broken apart.

basically nokx, you have yet to produce any proof beyond "it's in this book" and "you're stupid theories are stupid" (not direct quotes of course)

...or maybe accept the fact that the bible isn't meant to be taken literally.

bingo

In terms of intermediate species (a flawed term, as species are always on the way from one specie to zero, one, or many other species, so pretty much everything is an intermediate species), do you NokX claim that the mini horse fossil evidence is completely faked?

as a basic description Try here

Faked by Satan, no doubt.

The crap in their online store certainly seems to be on a par with what the hip young evangelicals are sporting this season.  About half of this stuff looks to be parody, and half is too weird to be anything but a serious religious nut.

*knows where to buy NokX's Christmas gift*

I knew Landover was fake (read the 1st post), but the more I look at this site, the more I think it is real.  Just read the Halloween page.  One would expect that if it were satire, this page would be an obvious one to spot it.  It seems way too serious and too real to be satire.

Well its not so you better learn to deal with it

The crap in their online store certainly seems to be on a par with what the hip young evangelicals are sporting this season.  About half of this stuff looks to be parody, and half is too weird to be anything but a serious religious nut.

Id rather not look, could you give me a rundown?

it only takes a matter of years for an animal to be extinct...  it (according to the evolutionary theory) takes millions and millions for a creature to evolve.

I'm sorry....do you at least believe in 'evolution' with a supreme being getting the ball rolling, or do you think that all men came from adam and eve, and that dinosaur bones are put there by the devil to mislead you, etc...

i don't see anywhere in genesis where it says "and God put a cell on the earth that evolved into billions of different species, with some specimens turning into plants, strawberries, fish, mammals, birds, etc..."

besides the whole religious aspect of it...

there's not even any scientific proof that evolution occurred.  it's just the only other explanation other than "God did it".  no physical proof of evolution whatsoever.

So by what method did God create everything on Earth?  Does the Bible specifically state how he did it?  If not then isn't it possible that evolution is the process by which God created things?

The creationism viewpoint is a farce.  I can't even be apologetic in this, it is a farce.

Once upon a time before science, mankind made up stories as to how the world was created.  They were very imaginative, and they got a hell of a lot wrong.

Then came the scientists, who actually looked for proof of their theories, and lo and behold there were great discoveries!  The Earth is not the center of the universe, nay, not even the center of the solar system.  There were much larger creatures that came before us, and sometimes species die out and are replaced by those better suited to the environment!  Internal combustion engines!  Wow!

The "Proof" for creationism is the Bible.  As a collection of word of mouth, hand me down stories, the old testament is not very compelling as 'proof.'

I'm a practicing Episcopalian (just in case this has any bearing on the matter).  I happen to believe that science is working out the how of it all very nicely... the why was up to God.



Incidentally:

"Hypnotically encased iMacs trick unsuspecting computer users into accepting Darwinism."
-- The Anti-Darwin web site, objective: Christian Ministries (http://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html), explains how Apple preaches evolutionary propaganda by basing Mac OS X on Darwin open-source code.

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