Forums | MacLife
You are not logged in.
#26 2003-10-07 5:12 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
The "Newborn" would be Samus. After surviving the Space Pirate attack on her home as an infant, she was taken by the Chozo, apparently to Tallon IV, infused with their blood (my guess on this would be in order to save her life), and trained in their ways. Then she left the Chozo, or was taken somewhere else by them, or something, given her Chozo technology, at which point she made it her lifelong quest to exact vengeance on the Space Pirates.
Unless I've been reading everything wrong.
Offline
#27 2003-10-07 5:14 pm
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Yeah, that sounds right. I never understood why they gave her the technology if they came to Tallon IV to rid themselves of it.
Offline
#28 2003-10-07 5:27 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
From what I can gather, it seems as though technology was damaging their spirituality, and they scattered what they could throughout the galaxy, then hid the rest away on Tallon IV when they came there to live in peaceful coexistence with nature.
I think they gave Samus their technology because the Phazon was killing them, and they knew, before their civilization died entirely, they would need a champion to be the savior of their memory, to protect the galaxy from the Space Pirates, and to eliminate the Phazon scourge in order to save what remnants of Chozo civilization remain on their Tallon IV refuge. They chose Samus because she was infused with their power, strength, and spirit, but did apparently not suffer the damage to her spirit and mind from the pollutants in both technology and the Phazon, so she was a worthy candidate to save the Chozo and protect the galaxy.
There's also a lot about the conflict between the Pirates and the Chozo which still remains only eluded to, at best, and much about Samus' past which is completely unknown; such as how or why she survived the Pirate attack on her home, and why she's as powerful as she is.
Offline
#29 2003-10-07 5:52 pm
- ColPanic
- Member

- From: Hawaii
- Registered: 2001-08-26
- Posts: 3449
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
I thought her helmet looked kinda like a chozo....
You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!
Offline
#30 2003-10-07 5:56 pm
- ColPanic
- Member

- From: Hawaii
- Registered: 2001-08-26
- Posts: 3449
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
I cant wait for Metroid Prime 2. One thing though, I hope in 2 they have more stuff in space and less on a planet, the coolest part of the game is when your like outside on the Pirate ship. coolest looking anyway...
You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!
Offline
#31 2003-10-07 8:12 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Or, how about, for the first time ever for a Metroid game, an adventure spanning several planets? This would allows for sequences in which the player is in control of Samus' ship in order to fly between the planets you need to travel among. They could have some places where you need to steer her ship through an asteroid field, others where you engage some Space Pirates in outer space dogfighting, and maybe a spot where the distance between two places you need to go on a planet are too far apart to walk, so it requires you to pilot her ship through some winding underground caverns, evading environmental hazards and monstrous beasts as you do so. They could even incorporate a handful of special ship upgrades, to add better weapons and abilities to the ship so you can complete these ship sequences. Maybe even one that modifies the ship's thrusters so that it can maneuver underwater and have a cool sequence where you travel through some deep underwater caverns on a water planet, similar to the one scene in Star Wars Episode I.
I think Metroid Prime was the first step toward putting the player in Samus' shoes, and immersing the player in the experience of truly being Samus and experiencing all aspects of being the bounty hunter, and Metroid Prime 2 could take that to the next level by having some flight sequences. Just make it so that when the player goes down inside the ship, they actually go inside it, and can walk around in it. For interactive items inside the ship there could be a save/weapon reload station, and then the ship's controls which the player can activate by just touching them, or by scanning them (whichever would work best). Then is a short cinematic showing Samus sitting down at the ship's controls, and then it pulls back in so you're seeing from her view, and are looking out through the ship's cockpit, and have a modified HUD and can then pilot the ship. Something like that.
It wouldn't be too hard to make a multi-planet adventure with ship flight elements. It would all hinge on working the story like that and content creation. It could span several discs, if necessary. They already have an engine which seems capable of doing all of this with relative ease, so little development would be needed there. Retro could totally do it. I only hope they do.
Offline
#32 2003-10-07 8:27 pm
- fizzwinkus
- purebred fizzlewink

- From: Austin, Texas
- Registered: 2000-08-10
- Posts: 4016
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
i always figured they gave her their tech because they all had suits. its like giving an astronaut a suit (since space travel is common) and because it wasnt special tech to them. in that sense, its like giving your son a t-shirt and shorts when he decides to leave home. and i thought the phazon came after samus left...
Warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Offline
#33 2003-10-07 8:38 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Aaahhh...the wonders and mysteries of a cryptic story.
I think, for a short time, Samus co-existed with the Phazon. Or perhaps she came long after the Phazon, but amidst the Phazon-madness the Chozo were experiencing, they were able to foresee her birth and their taking her in. Or perhaps she was taken in by the Chozo and was off on her bounty hunting ways before the Phazon came.
It's all quite vague and cryptic, which really adds to its depth and complexity.
Offline
#34 2003-10-07 8:41 pm
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
i always figured they gave her their tech because they all had suits. its like giving an astronaut a suit (since space travel is common) and because it wasnt special tech to them. in that sense, its like giving your son a t-shirt and shorts when he decides to leave home. and i thought the phazon came after samus left...
Yeah the phazon came after Samus left. This is what I find troubling. Ok let's say that Samus is 30 something. Let say that Samus was found when she was younger than 10. Let say that Samus left when she was a teen. That leaves a 10 to 20 year interval. In that time the Chozo abandon technology and ascend. The meteoroid then strikes shortly after and the pirates eventually find the planet. This seems a little too much for such a short period of time.
So when is Metroid Prime 2 going to happen in the Metroid timeline?
Offline
#35 2003-10-07 9:11 pm
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Yeah the phazon came after Samus left. This is what I find troubling. Ok let's say that Samus is 30 something. Let say that Samus was found when she was younger than 10. Let say that Samus left when she was a teen. That leaves a 10 to 20 year interval. In that time the Chozo abandon technology and ascend. The meteoroid then strikes shortly after and the pirates eventually find the planet. This seems a little too much for such a short period of time.
The Chozo civilisation spanned several planets, there's nothing (that I've heard, anyway) saying that they necessarily took the baby Samus to Tallon IV when they rescued her.
What I never understood is why the planet is called Tallon IV. The star isn't called Tallon, and none of the other planets are, either.
Offline
#36 2003-10-07 9:16 pm
- fizzwinkus
- purebred fizzlewink

- From: Austin, Texas
- Registered: 2000-08-10
- Posts: 4016
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
perhaps it was the fourth planet colonized or the fourth "homeworld" of the chozo. (if they colonized hundreds or thousands of planets, each section of space would have a base world) they were a race of bird like people... tallon...
Warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Offline
#37 2003-10-07 9:20 pm
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Yeah the phazon came after Samus left. This is what I find troubling. Ok let's say that Samus is 30 something. Let say that Samus was found when she was younger than 10. Let say that Samus left when she was a teen. That leaves a 10 to 20 year interval. In that time the Chozo abandon technology and ascend. The meteoroid then strikes shortly after and the pirates eventually find the planet. This seems a little too much for such a short period of time.
The Chozo civilisation spanned several planets, there's nothing (that I've heard, anyway) saying that they necessarily took the baby Samus to Tallon IV when they rescued her.
What I never understood is why the planet is called Tallon IV. The star isn't called Tallon, and none of the other planets are, either.
Okay, I thought we were using the premise that she was taken to Tallon IV. Anyway even if she wasn't taken to Tallon IV, it seems even less probable since the Chozo would have to relocate in addition to the previously listed items. The Chozo on Tallon IV obviously know about Samus pretty intimately so they must be the same people. I still find the timeline unrealistic. Don't think I don't like the game though. Anyone know what system Tallon IV is in?
Offline
#38 2003-10-07 10:16 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Tallon IV is in the same system as Zebes. They orbit the same star. This is according to my observations of the data and the huge holographic planetary system map in the planetarium in the Pirates' laboratories on Tallon IV.
If the Phazon does pollute Tallon IV after Samus has left the Chozo people, then having the Chozo abandon technology and construct their natural sanctuary on Tallon IV in a space of 10-20 years isn't too much of a stretch, though. The Pirates discovering the neighboring Tallon IV and beginning their research on Phazon within that timeframe isn't a stretch at all, seeing as how Zebes is very close to Tallon IV, and Tallon IV would definitely make for an easy place to move the base of operations while rebuilding the base at Zebes.
Metroid Prime takes place between the original Metroid and Super Metroid, from what I can gather. I'm prone to thinking that it takes place just after Metroid II, though. I would guess that Metroid Prime 2 is going to take place just before or after Super Metroid.
Offline
#39 2003-10-07 10:20 pm
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
If the Phazon does pollute Tallon IV after Samus has left the Chozo people, then having the Chozo abandon technology and construct their natural sanctuary on Tallon IV in a space of 10-20 years isn't too much of a stretch, though. The Pirates discovering the neighboring Tallon IV and beginning their research on Phazon within that timeframe isn't a stretch at all, seeing as how Zebes is very close to Tallon IV, and Tallon IV would definitely make for an easy place to move the base of operations while rebuilding the base at Zebes.
Okay I will give you the space pirate one but 10-20 years to ascend to a higher plane? What?!? Did Samus leave a bad taste in their mouth or something (insert girly giggle here). No wonder they kicked her of their planet.
Offline
#40 2003-10-07 11:15 pm
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Well, with their technology, spiritual power, ability to travel through space (and possibly even time or other planes) via sheer willpower, and their slipping connection to the physical world by the force of the Phazon polluting their bodies, minds, and spirits, they probably did everything they could to hasten their retreat and save what they could of their existence. The ruined state of their Tallon IV colonization, the remnants they left behind, as well as the ghostly state many of their race remain in on Tallon IV serves to greatly underscore this hasty ascension, in my mind. It doesn't seem too improbable. Who knows, though? Their records are all so cryptic, eerie, and distorted by Phazon seeping into and altering their conscious, it's difficult to tell. Hopefully Prime 2 will shed some more light on the history of the Chozo, Samus, and the Pirates, and how each piece of the story intertwines, and how certain events fit into the timeline.
Offline
#41 2003-10-08 1:03 am
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Well, with their technology, spiritual power, ability to travel through space (and possibly even time or other planes) via sheer willpower, and their slipping connection to the physical world by the force of the Phazon polluting their bodies, minds, and spirits, they probably did everything they could to hasten their retreat and save what they could of their existence. The ruined state of their Tallon IV colonization, the remnants they left behind, as well as the ghostly state many of their race remain in on Tallon IV serves to greatly underscore this hasty ascension, in my mind. It doesn't seem too improbable. Who knows, though? Their records are all so cryptic, eerie, and distorted by Phazon seeping into and altering their conscious, it's difficult to tell. Hopefully Prime 2 will shed some more light on the history of the Chozo, Samus, and the Pirates, and how each piece of the story intertwines, and how certain events fit into the timeline.
But you still haven't addressed the fact that the Chozo did away with technology before the impact but had technology still to give to Samus when she was young. This seems like a very hasty race in general.
Offline
#42 2003-10-08 1:19 am
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
They lived in harmony with nature, but, obviously, technology was still abundant, as well as buried and stored in places on the planet. They just didn't use the technology. Clearly, since there is so much of their technology scattered about the planet they were either storing it, had lost it, were keeping it safe and out of their own hands, or had foreseen Samus' coming to Tallon IV to destroy the Phazon scourge and prepared for that return.
There's a lot of questions, and the more I read and the more we discuss, the more questions remain...this is certainly a result of Nintendo never serving the Metroid story up on a clean, easy to digest platter of simple narrative and linear gameplay.
Offline
#43 2003-10-08 1:25 am
- fizzwinkus
- purebred fizzlewink

- From: Austin, Texas
- Registered: 2000-08-10
- Posts: 4016
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
you could think of they're going to tallon 4 and doing away with technology as them moving to tallon 4 and creating a facility to help them leave this plane of existence. perhaps doing away with technology meant leaving this world (to be later pulled back by phazon)
Warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Offline
#44 2003-10-08 1:29 am
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Or something...I'm going to go through the game at least two more times, very very slowly...and carefully digest every bit of information I come across. Maybe I can get it figured out by the time Metroid Prime 2 comes out.
Offline
#45 2003-10-08 1:55 am
- fizzwinkus
- purebred fizzlewink

- From: Austin, Texas
- Registered: 2000-08-10
- Posts: 4016
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
i just realized i used they're... grr...
*fizzwinkus awaits twisted's completion of the game again with sweet anticipation
Warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Offline
#46 2003-10-08 2:02 am
- NAG
- A witch!
- Royal Wombat

- From: /usr/local/apps/nag
- Registered: 2000-09-22
- Posts: 30229
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
Yeah, I know they have something in mind. I guess a good storyteller doesn't share all of his/her secrets.
Okay I am now going to bitch about how the damn hornet nests keep on reappearing. Why can't I kill those damn things. You would think rocketing would do it. Sheesh. Maybe that is why the Chozo kept the technology around--pest control. 
Offline
#47 2003-10-08 2:05 am
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Offline
#48 2003-10-08 2:05 am
- fizzwinkus
- purebred fizzlewink

- From: Austin, Texas
- Registered: 2000-08-10
- Posts: 4016
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
wasps are fun when wave beam grappling is liberally applied
Warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Offline
#49 2003-10-08 2:08 am
- Twisted Guy
- President of the Galactic Confederacy

- Registered: 1999-03-28
- Posts: 15984
- Website
Re: I have Metroid Prime himself.
What about those swarms of scarabs? Where do those guys even come from?!
Offline



