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#1 2003-10-23 1:48 am
- Pogostick
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The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
Or even the 5%/95% market share line if they're feeling generous that day, use these as food for thought:
http://daringfireball.net/2003/07/market_share.html
Relevant back in 2000 but might give some insight): http://www.lse.ac.uk/clubs/hayek/5-1/levy.htm
I wonder if M$'s market share is still actually 70-65% and Apple's still around 10% (and possibly climbing with recent popularity of it's products).
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/32648.htm
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/11/18.15.shtml
Also use installed base for that salt in the wound effect:
http://www.spymac.com/more.php?id=215_0_5_0_M
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Stack it!#3 2003-10-23 7:12 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
nah! I still thinks it's around 3%.
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#4 2003-10-23 9:51 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
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#5 2003-10-23 12:44 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
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#6 2003-10-23 1:53 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
I've never seen someone use that line...or never noticed anyway. 
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#7 2003-10-23 3:10 pm
Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
10% marketshare is a dream for apple. and the BMW analogy is BS, i have a bmw and an apple computer is nowhere near "the ultimate computing machine"
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#8 2003-10-23 4:37 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
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#9 2003-10-23 6:14 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
But perception matters. A small but vocal class of very-small-weinered self-proclaimed PC experts has been attempting to delegitimize the Mac ever since it came out. Surely you know at least one of these guys (and they are all guys):
In the 1980s, they declared that graphical user interfaces were for sissies, dummies, and artists (and frequently insinuated that the three terms were synonymous). The Mac was overpriced and Apple was going out of business.
In the early 1990s, they declared that Windows was just as good as a Mac, although experts would never be satisfied with less than a pure command-line interface. Discordantly, they declared the Mac
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#10 2003-10-23 9:59 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
...A small but vocal class of very-small-weinered self-proclaimed PC experts has been attempting to delegitimize the Mac ever since it came out...
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#11 2003-10-23 10:31 pm
Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
10% marketshare is a dream for apple. and the BMW analogy is BS, i have a bmw and an apple computer is nowhere near "the ultimate computing machine"
This only applies to one industry, the computer business, and it is an artificially-created rule. Mercedes has been making cars for over a hundred years; when have they ever had the leading market share? Porsche is the same way. Even Honda. Still, when you think of outstanding automotive engineering, those are the companies that first come to mind. So when are they due to go out of business? Mercedes -- not anything soon I think, they just bought Chrysler.
Also, comparing Microsoft's R&D to Apple's is just silly. Microsoft is first and foremost a software company. Yes, the X-Box is hardware, but face it, it's a PC in a cool box running custom w/Windows for games. This is R&D? Keyboards, mice? All good products, but 99% of their R&D is software, which is inherently high margin, (I've heard reliable estimates that MS gets 80% margins on each copy of Windows.) So now who's charging the premium?
So you are comparing a Systems and Applications software company to one of the five companies doing real computer R&D (Apple, IBM, Compaq, HP and Sun. Compaq looks like it's going to turn into Dell or Gateway soon, and drop this list to 4.). And Sun is an excellent example. They don't have a majority market share, yet they certainly matter, and they will continue to matter for a long time to come.
Any company that creates, and markets their creations and services to its customer base well, regardless of industry, pundits, and stock analysts will succeed, thrive, and matter. BMW, Carver Audio, all of the premium, "niche" companies know this.
Again, I ask, except for computers, what major purchase do you make solely based on market share?
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#12 2003-10-23 11:21 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
the BMW analogy is BS, i have a bmw and an apple computer is nowhere near "the ultimate computing machine"
So? Just because BMW proclaims itself "the ultimate driving machine," that means it is? 
The Apple/BMW comparison is meant to show that while both companies have about the same market share in their respective industries, both make a quality product and both are respected by their peers and have a strong following among their customers.
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#13 2003-10-23 11:30 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
last time i heard it was 7% and climbing. no?
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#14 2003-10-23 11:31 pm
Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
the BMW analogy is BS, i have a bmw and an apple computer is nowhere near "the ultimate computing machine"
So? Just because BMW proclaims itself "the ultimate driving machine," that means it is?
The Apple/BMW comparison is meant to show that while both companies have about the same market share in their respective industries, both make a quality product and both are respected by their peers and have a strong following among their customers.
yeah but BMWs arent made out of the same parts as a ford or anyother car.. Apples for the most part have the same parts as pcs do made by the same companies. only a fool thinks apple still makes the whole widget.
actually buy a BMW and you'll be convienced of the slogan. i dont own a porsche or ferrari or something in that price range but its not like apple saying "the fastest personal computer in the world" that is BS anyway you look at it. its not even opinion its just plain not true
and BMW has double marketshare than apple
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#15 2003-10-23 11:35 pm
Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
last time i heard it was 7% and climbing. no?
negative, its 2.9% maybe 3 linux is closing in on them FAST
if not actually more by now. i had heard linux was 5% but im not sure of that at all
i do believe that Linux will pass apple market share within at least 2 years
linux distros are making HUGE strides in becoming more user friendly and idiot proof. the bigest problem linux will put on apple is that linux runs on faster and cheaper x86 hardware.
alot of people talk about linux threatening MS, but it will really hurt apple alot faster than MS, it will be an alternative for Windows users that want to get away from MS but dont have to spend the obsurd amount of money on a new mac
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#16 2003-10-24 12:12 am
Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
the BMW analogy is BS, i have a bmw and an apple computer is nowhere near "the ultimate computing machine"
So? Just because BMW proclaims itself "the ultimate driving machine," that means it is?
The Apple/BMW comparison is meant to show that while both companies have about the same market share in their respective industries, both make a quality product and both are respected by their peers and have a strong following among their customers.yeah but BMWs arent made out of the same parts as a ford or anyother car.. Apples for the most part have the same parts as pcs do made by the same companies. only a fool thinks apple still makes the whole widget.
actually buy a BMW and you'll be convienced of the slogan. i dont own a porsche or ferrari or something in that price range but its not like apple saying "the fastest personal computer in the world" that is BS anyway you look at it. its not even opinion its just plain not true
and BMW has double marketshare than apple
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#17 2003-10-24 12:18 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
An obsurd amount of money to buy a Mac?
1)That cheap shot has lost it's merrit lately..
2)Spending that same money on a comparable(?) Windows machine would be even more absurd, so those same people just sit there with an old computer.
3)If you base your computer purchases on market share, well... your just an idiot.
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#18 2003-10-24 1:07 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
Also use installed base for that salt in the wound effect:
http://www.spymac.com/more.php?id=215_0_5_0_M
That is so flawed its hilarious.
To start it off Compaq and HP are one company. By his own math Apple does not have the largest installed user base. HP does. lol
The other thing that grabs my attention is that not all computer users are in the market for new computers. Many are content with what they have.
Just because someone has a computer dosen't mean they are in the market for computers.
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#19 2003-10-24 1:12 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
Also use installed base for that salt in the wound effect:
http://www.spymac.com/more.php?id=215_0_5_0_M
That is so flawed its hilarious.
To start it off Compaq and HP are one company. By his own math Apple does not have the largest installed user base. HP does. lol
The other thing that grabs my attention is that not all computer users are in the market for new computers. Many are content with what they have.
Just because someone has a computer dosen't mean they are in the market for computers.
-=Jax=-
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/195/
In other words, you're getting so serious about this it's hilarious.
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#20 2003-10-24 1:24 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/195/
In other words, you're getting so serious about this it's hilarious.
Thats actually a pretty good read. Thanks for the link.
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#21 2003-10-24 1:33 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/195/
In other words, you're getting so serious about this it's hilarious.Thats actually a pretty good read. Thanks for the link.
Ah, good. Someone actually is reading the original article and not skipping it to read the comments made after the article.
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#22 2003-10-24 7:01 am
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
yeah but BMWs arent made out of the same parts as a ford or anyother car.. Apples for the most part have the same parts as pcs do made by the same companies. only a fool thinks apple still makes the whole widget.
Ok, then perhaps the Lexus/Toyota analogy would suit you better, since Toyota owns Lexus, and many part are shared between them, yet Lexus is a premium car, and Toyota is more mainstream. Analogies are ok to help someone understand a particular situation when they are interested to understand, but when they are used to make a point or rebuke someone elses point of view in a debate, they are silly, because, of course you can always poke holes in an analogy. IT IS AN ANALOGY.
Using analogies in here is to help newbie or potential Mac buyers understand the basis that other people have for why they consider their Mac valuable. They are not necessarily to prove to all the descenders out there that Mac is best for them. So this business of rebutting every analogy in here always makes me laugh, because it just proves that the rebutter doesn't get it, is not a member of the Mac community and is only interested in trolling.
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#23 2003-10-24 12:58 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
A better guide than market share is annual sales. Here are some figures I found for 1978 to 1993:
1978 $10 million in annual sales (nationwide)
1979 $100 million in annual sales (nationwide)
1980-1982 (couldn't find any figures)
1984 $1 million in annual sales (nationwide)
1985 $1.9 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1986 $1.9 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1987 $2.66 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1988 $4.07 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1989 $5.28 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1990 $5.6 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1991 $6.3 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1992 $7.1 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
1993 $7.98 billion in annual sales (worldwide)
Source:
http://apple.computerhistory.org/
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#24 2003-10-24 4:34 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
1984 $1 million in annual sales (nationwide)
This one's got to be a typo or an error.
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#25 2003-10-24 5:05 pm
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Re: The next time someone uses the 2%/98% marketshare line
Record sales announced for fiscal 1984, $1,515.9 million, a 54% increase over the previous year.
hmm...
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