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yeah, must just be me?

Yup. I love how you take things out of context and bend them to your twisted little methodology.

Hitler did the same thing. Oh, and Southern Slave Holders, too.

[reprinted, with permission]

You don't need "permission" to print God's Word, and to say that you did makes you look silly, since I don't want to waste a more colorful insult on you.

Okay, I just saw The Matrix Revolutions yesterday. It was most certainly underwhelming. Not nearly as good as the first, not as good as the second. The acting was much worse than in the others, and there weren't really any big new special effects. However, I'm still glad I saw it. Well worth my $5.50 matinee . The one thing that surprised me most is that they really left the end open for a sequel. "Will we ever see Neo again?" I thought it was just supposed to be a trilogy??

yeah, must just be me?

Yup. I love how you take things out of context and bend them to your twisted little methodology.

It is not taken out of context as the creators of the Matrix Trilogy were of a similar mindset as more or less (if I'm reading this correctly). If Christian and Buddhist principles (as well as myriad philosophical and existential ideas) became an integral part of the story, it can not be well refuted that such observations are out of context. I suppose you could claim the Wachowski's to have taken these principles out of context, but since the films are a creative work of fiction, really anything goes.

Hitler did the same thing. Oh, and Southern Slave Holders, too.

Uh oh, slippin' down the road of logical fallacy.
Following the fallacy to its logical extent, you just did the same thing. Oops, I just did it too.

The Matrix got a virus/bug (Smith) it couldn't get rid of. The Matrix, or the machines, was the "bad guy". Maybe The Matrix was running Windows. Get it? Windows ! HA!  

amaising how the fibonacci spiral was literally golden at the intro to Revolutions...

I'm surprised the fibonacci fractal hasn't created more discussion. I'm curious what exactly it was meant to represent in the mind of the Wachowski brothers. Fractals and the Fibonacci sequence of numbers appear in nature, yet are highly mathematical. When I first realized that the golden fractal was a representation of the real world, the old "matrix within a matrix" speculation came to mind, though I never believed this to actually be the plot for the third movie. I suppose its sort of the symbiosis of man and machine - the organic and the mathematic, free choice and logical programming.

All I know is that the entire matrix trillogy started to remind me alot of Dune when he could still "see" after being blinded. Plus the whole dieing for the good of the people and bringing about a new way of life for those poeple.... AND having being able to do what none other can.  Very Dune like indeed.

Yes, because Frank Herbert was the first author to come up with the concept of a blind prophet and someone who sacrifices himself for others.

/me blinks

Nicholas Wolfwood and Vash the Stampede, anyone?

In spite of not knowing who either of these characters are, I'd be willing to bet money that even Dune predates both of them.

What I like about the whole Matrix idea is the whole people as batteries thing. Did it not occur to anyone that the amount of energy required to keep a single human being alive would far outweigh the amount of energy they could harness from the same single human.

Why didn't the machines just leave Earth and go to another planet with abundant sunlight. There is a bigass moon up there, not too far away, where there is alot of sun at times. And the machines don't need O to breethe or anything.

if you watch the second renaissance (parts 1 & 2), it shows the machines continually advancing themselves, making newer and better machines.  there aren't many natural resources on the moon for them to use.

I, like usual came in late for this thread. In fact, I was away from the forums for quite some time now.
The first matrix movie was so good, so revolutionary-groundbreaking.
In my opinion, it ended in a full circle with an open end which was of course, the salvation of humanity. There was no need for a second or third movie. That's why the second one sucked. they DID try to put too much philosophy mumbo-jumbo, and YES, people need to be spoonfed the information. That's why a movie is a movie and not a research paper. The first matrix movie made you think, it made you realize all the connections between the philosophy and the plot, and it was still relatively easy to understand. That was because teh movie was so much more VISUAL than the second one. for instance, when morpheus explained the concept of what the matrix was, he used a battery and the loading program to explain VISUALLY what the matrix was. In reloaded, however, you only saw the characters sepeaking and had no idea of what they were talking about. One could have bought a tape with the dialogues and just listen to it... or even better, why not just read the script!
thats why it sucked, it was not VISUAL.

Now, regarding revolutions... i liked it better... not only because it had no half-baked philosophy, but because it appealed to my taste for mecha and super being fights, like DBZ
and since it was the closing of the series, the ending was sorta cooler, I guess... now, lets pray that they dont come up with a fourth and fifth part... or a pre-quel.

The only thing that puzzled me about revolutions was the fact that the machines were so advanced... if they were so, why didn't they start mining for uranium and build a nuclear power plant, instead of enslaving humans? How then, will the machines survive after the human race is freed? that is the only thing that didnt make sense for me... aside from that, revolutions rocked by far more than reloaded.

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Did it not occur to anyone that the amount of energy required to keep a single human being alive would far outweigh the amount of energy they could harness from the same single human.

Unfortunately, it occurred to someone on every message board ever.

and how many more times will you critique the intent of the posts i make?

Until I don't see any more.

All I know is that the entire matrix trillogy started to remind me alot of Dune when he could still "see" after being blinded. Plus the whole dieing for the good of the people and bringing about a new way of life for those poeple.... AND having being able to do what none other can.  Very Dune like indeed.

Yes, because Frank Herbert was the first author to come up with the concept of a blind prophet and someone who sacrifices himself for others.

/me blinks

Nicholas Wolfwood and Vash the Stampede, anyone?

In spite of not knowing who either of these characters are, I'd be willing to bet money that even Dune predates both of them.

More than likely (1995?). Just adding more credibility to what you said comes first.

Hmmm...I can't tell whether you're playing along with my sarcasm or if it was missed.

I love the Dune series, but blind prophets and self-sacrificers have been literary (and mythological) characters for nearly as long as stories have been told.  To point out these elements in The Matrix as derivitive of Dune strikes me as a little silly.