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Is it just me, or is the deabte of MiniThink gradually changing from right versus left to thinking versus non-thinking?

Is that my fault?

It does seem that way sometimes.

it actually shines a light on the "problem."

the us is having a big-ass secular conflict with itself right now because the terrorists have scared the smurf out of the religious people.

and religion is not the origin of rational thought or behaviour.

Is it just me, or is the deabte of MiniThink gradually changing from right versus left to thinking versus non-thinking?

Is that my fault?

It does seem that way sometimes.

I'm glad that's not a blanket absolute.

OOPS!

I meant that it seems like thinking vs non-thinking.

Wow.  Guess we know which side I'M on.   

Shut up, you... and you!

Is it just me, or is the deabte of MiniThink gradually changing from right versus left to thinking versus non-thinking?

Is that my fault?

It does seem that way sometimes.

I'm glad that's not a blanket absolute.

OOPS!

I meant that it seems like thinking vs non-thinking.

Wow.  Guess we know which side I'M on.   

Shut up, you... and you!

That was incredibly funny.

i don't see where ignoring a point of view is funny.




exposing them, on the other hand, can be very funny.

i don't see where ignoring a point of view is funny.




exposing them, on the other hand, can be very funny.

I don't see where I was ignoring it. It's called "satire".

i don't see where your name is oatmeal... it isn't always about you fido.

i don't see where ignoring a point of view is funny.




exposing them, on the other hand, can be very funny.

I don't see where I was ignoring it. It's called "satire".

i don't see where your name is oatmeal... it isn't always about you fido.

I don't see where you said 'oatmeal' until just then.

I also don't see what point of view I'm ignoring.  Of course, that could be because I'm ignoring it...


(Seriously, though... would you mind explaining your post?  I'm a few cups of coffee low at the moment.)

people are scared and they are running to religion for explanations.  and that fundamentally scares the holy crap out of me, literally.

which, of course, i was TRYING to tie into the content of us & european relations.....

Well, that's stealing thunder. but i'll bite:

Are they really looking for explanations? Or are they looking for fulfillment?

or, to paraphrase oatmeal - they perhaps just need to shut-up, and get along.  sometimes that is called "peace."

Sometimes that's called "tolerance".

I would have been asking things like what % of the English national gnp is that 1/11 compared to the US gnp/debt ratio

Well using the CIA World Factbooks figures for GDP and the debt clocks figure of US debt, then the US debt is 68% of GDP ($6.8tr / $10tr x 100) and the UK debt is 30% of GDP according the HM Treasury website.

There will of course be some inacuracies because the data has come from different sources and different times (debt clock pretty much up to date, CIA figures for US from 2001, and UK figures from 2001-2002 fiscal year)

Even if you take the debtclocks figure for US debt in 2001 (to match the CIA figures dates) then US debt is still 58% of GDP.

Also consider that the UK has not been adding to its debt GDP % since 1997, and in that time the debt as a % of GDP has gone down.

Good job, you sound like your almost as interested in things like this as I am. (btw, both our gov't have special divisions that track national debt besides the treasury depts)
Want some more fun facts?
Interest payments are the 4th largest line item in the US budget and there is only one of the four we can do anything about.
Both of our countries have had national debt for centuries. Yours peaked at 252% of gnp (did I hear a gasp?). Your debt also exploded in growth about '74 and has continued to rise in total every year since even though the % of gnp has gone down. (remember that one for later)
The US debt total has also grown dramatically in recent years (even grew every year of Clintons term for those who may not know) and has tripled since 1987.

So what will they do about the debt? They will look forward naturally, just the same as all countries do and let the nations gnp grow until the % of debt doesn't sound so bad again.

just in case you don't believe me and for more in depth
US fun facts http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
UK fun facts http://www.dmo.gov.uk/bginfo/f1ndd.htm

I think the right course of action is to alienate the Europeans and become diplomatically isolated. That's definitely the way to go!

I thought that was what we were doing, for the most part.  That isn't the current US policy?   

Time to adjust that sarcasmometer again. You've got the silly thing stuck on "dunderhead."

I was playing along, but I'll check the settings anyway.

Good job, you sound like your almost as interested in things like this as I am.

Well at the moment my prefered university course is Development Studies with Geography at the School of Oriental and African Studies. So, yep, I guess I am.

both our gov't have special divisions that track national debt besides the treasury depts

I guessed they probably did, but my sleep deprived mind at midnight last night was not up to the task of trawling through web trying to find it. Thanks for the links though, you probably just saved my an hour this morning. 

Yours peaked at 252% of gnp (did I hear a gasp?).

UK debt as % of GDP started growing dramatically around 1916, and didn't fall significantly until 1946 (world wars are really expensive, or more acurately GDP fell dramatically as debt stayed reasonably stable.)

Your debt also exploded in growth about '74 and has continued to rise in total every year since even though the % of gnp has gone down

Sorry, couldn't help this, just had to be really pedantic, UK total debt did actually fall 3 times in that period, in 1989 by