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#26 2003-11-11 9:53 am

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

Silly boy, it's all part of a liberal plan to destroy Christianity. Liberals hate Christianity; "Muslems" hate Christianity; the enemy of my enemy is my friend; therefore, Coulter-style, liberals are terrorist-loving monsters, and being a Christian in America today is the way it was in Rome under Nero -- endless, savage persecution. All thanks to those evil, evil liberals.

Yeah, Christains have it real tough in America.  And Muslims have been enjoying a cake walk.


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#27 2003-11-11 9:53 am

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So the judge would be wrong for ordering a parent to teach that adultry is wrong by what's in the Bible too? I know adulters that that's their chosen lifestyle. Or child mollestation is wrong because it is discriminitory against a sick expartner?


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#28 2003-11-11 9:54 am

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What he is implying(which most choose to ignore, as usual) that if the family were Islamic, the US court wouldn't interfere with their "culture" as readily as the Anglo-Christian culture.
Islamic culture is hateful towards gays too.

He's a self-professed troll, that's why people ignore his point. And the fact it's irrelevant to the issue also has a lot to do with it.

The issue is not whether it was a Christian teaching to hate, but that one partner is teaching their kid to hate the other and using their religion as a (crappy) excuse for doing so. What that religion is is of no consequence.

And what the smurf is "Anglo-Christian"??


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#29 2003-11-11 9:59 am

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

So the judge would be wrong for ordering a parent to teach that adultry is wrong by what's in the Bible too? I know adulters that that's their chosen lifestyle. Or child mollestation is wrong because it is discriminitory against a sick expartner?

Adultery, child molestation? What the hell are you talking about? For the upteenth time, this is a case of one parent teaching a kid to hate the other parent, using religion to say, in essence, "God says mommy is evil." It's not teaching religion, it's a domestic dispute.


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#30 2003-11-11 10:57 am

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

None, to his knowledge, however, have gone to the extent of Coughlin, issuing a directive that restricts a parent's religious practice.

OK I though this wasn't about religion.
I'm also confused. They are a gay couple, right? Did one turn straight or is there 3rd party involved here?

Staver explained to WorldNetDaily Clark and Elsey McLeod were in a lesbian relationship that broke up after Clark became a Christian and concluded homosexual behavior was wrong.

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#31 2003-11-11 11:22 am

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I did read the goddamnmutherfukkin article.

Another troubling aspect of this case, he said, is the award of visitation and joint parenting responsibilities to a third-party who has no legal relationship to the daughter or the mother


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#32 2003-11-11 11:35 am

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Does Islam encourage tolerance?

Not more or less than Christianity.  And most American Muslims are working hard to do away with the stereotype that all Muslims want to live like it's Saudi Arabia.

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#33 2003-11-11 12:26 pm

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Divorce case or no, this is bullsmurf. Do we even know just how homophobic the teachings were? Was she saying, "Homosexuals are evil and will burn in hell like a tire dump," or was she saying, "God thinks homosexuality is wrong, but he still loves them?" It sounds more like the other chick was pissed off and looking for a reason to sue for custody. This case sets a smurfing terrible precedent.


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#34 2003-11-11 12:33 pm

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It sounds more like the other chick was pissed off and looking for a reason to sue for custody.

And you get this from what, exactly?


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#35 2003-11-11 12:36 pm

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It's a guess, KingFred. That's why I said, "It sounds like..." I did not present it as fact. It certainly seems plausible, though. I imagine that in a situation like that, both parties could get pretty bitter over the whole thing.


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#36 2003-11-11 12:42 pm

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

I did read the goddamnmutherfukkin article.

Another troubling aspect of this case, he said, is the award of visitation and joint parenting responsibilities to a third-party who has no legal relationship to the daughter or the mother

The way I read that bit it sounds like the "third party" is actually McLeod, the lesbian ex, who they (Clark & attorneys) say has no "legal relationship to the daughter or the mother".


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#37 2003-11-11 12:49 pm

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It's a guess, KingFred. That's why I said, "It sounds like..." I did not present it as fact. It certainly seems plausible, though. I imagine that in a situation like that, both parties could get pretty bitter over the whole thing.

Which is why, ELB, I asked you where you got that from - another article from a less involved source than WorldNetDaily, perhaps.

There's nothing in the linked article that indicates that your "It sounds more like the other chick was pissed off and looking for a reason to sue for custody" scenario is even insinuated. So no, it DOESN'T "sound like" that at all (or read, to be more accurate). The whole article is almost exclusively about a court ruling that Clark & co feels interferes with her ability to teach the kid gays are evil as per her view of religion. Nothing - NOTHING in there points or insinuates that McLeod was trying to just stir smurf up.

So again, you get that from where?


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#38 2003-11-11 12:51 pm

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So if this case is an assault on Christianity and not merely a custody dispute, where are all the court-ordered intrusions into the lives of still-happily married right-wing Christians who're rearing their kids with Phelpsian homophobia? I seem to have missed those reports...


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#39 2003-11-11 1:13 pm

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It's not about an assault on Christianity, but the government ordering someone how to raise their children.
Just the first small step. Then one day it could become mandantory.
Should it be a crime to teach ignorance?


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#40 2003-11-11 1:34 pm

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

It's not about an assault on Christianity, but the government ordering someone how to raise their children.

Ok, but wait a moment... earlier you wrote this:

What he is implying(which most choose to ignore, as usual) that if the family were Islamic, the US court wouldn't interfere with their "culture" as readily as the Anglo-Christian culture.
Islamic culture is hateful towards gays too.

So, you say it's not an assault on Christianity, but Islamic families are exempt? Does this just mean that (in your view) the government is ordering people to rear their children in Islamic ways specifically, not non-Christians in general? Or do you mean Islamic family ways just happen to already align with whatever way the government is trying to force people to rear their kids?

Just the first small step. Then one day it could become mandantory.
Should it be a crime to teach ignorance?

The first small step of what, pray tell?


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#41 2003-11-11 1:45 pm

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Christ KingFred, I said it's a POSSIBLITY, not a FACT. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. I didn't say, "Yeah, shes' just pissed." That was a guess, a conjecture, or something I pulled from my bunghole, if you will.


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#42 2003-11-11 1:47 pm

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I was saying that the judge would have ruled differently for fear of repercussions from the PC community for interfereing with "another culture".


And a small step to just more government control over how we raise our children/think/act.


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#43 2003-11-11 1:52 pm

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And a small step to just more government control over how we raise our children/think/act.

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#44 2003-11-11 1:58 pm

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Re: Court bans parent from teaching religous...

It's not about an assault on Christianity, but the government ordering someone how to raise their children.
Just the first small step. Then one day it could become mandantory.
Should it be a crime to teach ignorance?

Actually, this is a case of one parent of the child getting a court order on how the other raises the child.  I don't fully know the case law, but it seems reasonable that the parent without custody would still have a right to help set general guidelines on how the child is raised.  This is a dispute between two parents, with one apparently trying to turn the child against the other.  I can see a legal basis for that.


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#45 2003-11-11 1:59 pm

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Omega and Phy: of course, if the family in question were Muslim, you'd be just as outraged, correct?


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#46 2003-11-11 2:24 pm

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Omega and Phy: of course, if the family in question were Muslim, you'd be just as outraged, correct?

Haven't you been reading the thread? It would never have happened if the family were Muslim. Omega and Marsy know that for sure!


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#47 2003-11-11 2:29 pm

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Hmmm, never thought of it that way yet. I'd still be miffed over a court ruling on how they raise their kids. I don't care if they learn morals/discipline from any book.

I'm equally outraged that some angry poarent is using the courts as a revenge tool. I don't care what race/religion you are when you blow my tax dollars.


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#48 2003-11-11 3:07 pm

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That was a guess, a conjecture, or something I pulled from my bunghole, if you will.

That's what I figured. But you used the words "Sounds like" as though it "sounded like" when it didn't. Why are you getting so nasty over it? All I did was ask where you got that impression/guess/congecture/bunghole stuffing. Since it came off as an unsupported attack on McLeod and was not even mentioned in the article, I was both asking if you had other sources and calling you on your baseless attack (should you in fact NOT have a basis for it).

Sorry if asking you to support a dumbass, baseless accusation on a person who's barely even discussed in the article is so annoying. I just didn't see where the nasty remark was coming from.

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#49 2003-11-11 3:08 pm

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Omega and Phy: of course, if the family in question were Muslim, you'd be just as outraged, correct?

Why wouldn't I be?

I was agreeing with a statement I took out of context. It had nothing to do with "religion". tongue


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#50 2003-11-11 3:18 pm

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Hmmm, never thought of it that way yet. I'd still be miffed over a court ruling on how they raise their kids. I don't care if they learn morals/discipline from any book.

I'm equally outraged that some angry poarent is using the courts as a revenge tool. I don't care what race/religion you are when you blow my tax dollars.

And here YOU go in that direction too! Geez louise!

Where do you people get this from!!?? How the hell do you come to the conclusion/assumption/bunghole stuffing that anyone here is "using the courts as a revenge tool"? There's NOTHING in the article that insinuates this! The article is primarily about the court's instructions that there be no homophobic teachings which Clark feels transgresses her rights to teach her view of religion. That's pretty much all they talk about. I'm actually surprised that the article is rather even about the "lesbian" partner, considering the Christian source.

Can you tell me what exactly makes this a "revenge tool" if a person uses legitimate judicial processes to try to make sure their kid isn't being brainwashed into hating them? What other methods do you propose they use? Duels at dawn? Email?


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