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#1 2003-01-10 7:37 pm
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Networking help
I have a G3 and a G4 at my desk and I have 2 other computers on my network and we only have 3 internet connections. Is there anyway I can have the G3 on the network without giving it an IP address or access to the internet? The G4 is running OS X.2 server and the G3 running OS X.2. Thanks in advance.
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#2 2003-01-10 11:01 pm
Re: Networking help
If you just don't tconfigure the TCP/IP settings correctly for your internet connection, the computer will not get an IP address, therefore saving the other three for your other computers.
If you have a standard reuter that assigns IP adresses with DHCP, then you could connect up to 252 computers, but I'm asuming that your setup is slightly different.
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#3 2003-01-11 12:06 am
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Re: Networking help
I tried having all 4 computers connected but my ISP would only let me connect 3 and someone was always getting booted off. The G3 doesn't need an internet connection so I don't need to share.
By screwing up I'm assuming you mean manually giving it a wrong IP address?
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#4 2003-01-11 12:22 am
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Re: Networking help
I thought about that at first, but I think if screw up the TCP/IP you won't be able to network with it.
Did your ISP provide IP addresses? If so, enter a fourth address (change the last digit). that should keep it off-line, and on your local network. Or, if your ISP provided a client ID number, just don't enter it on the G3.
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#5 2003-01-11 12:39 am
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Re: Networking help
With a router your ISP shouldn't know how many computers are on the other side. Unless it track's MAC addresses but I don't think that's likely. Any way, if you give the G3 a Static IP but not a default gateway then it can be on the network and unable to access the outside world on the LAN. It has to have an ip that has the first three octets with the same number assuming your subnetmask is the standard 255.255.255.0 where the 255's stand for the network number that are identical to the ones assigned by your DHCP server.
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#6 2003-01-11 12:56 am
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Re: Networking help
so would something like 12.12.12.0 work or should I use 255.255.255.0?
For some reason I could only get 3 connections and I haven't looked into it because I only need 3.
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#7 2003-01-11 1:08 am
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Re: Networking help
Most routers use an ip of 192.168.1.x with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. The subet masks need to be identical on all devices on the network.
device 1 -->192.168.1.1 SM:255.255.255.0
Device 2 -->192.168.1.2 SM:255.255.255.0
G3---------->192.168.1.3-253 SM: 255.255.255.0
You could use the 12.12.12.1(last digit cannot be zero as that is the network as a whole address) if that's what the rest of the computers are using.
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#8 2003-01-11 1:13 am
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You need to check the other macines on the network to see what IP's they are using/being assigned.
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#9 2003-01-11 1:19 am
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Re: Networking help
one of the computers is an iBook so it is always assigned a new IP. If I asign the G3 with a IP that is close to the ones already being used on the machines, wouldn't it then use the address I assigned to connect and the iBook wouldn not connect? It seems that the IP's assigned are not always closely related.
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#10 2003-01-11 1:34 am
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That is a potential problem. What is assigning the ip addresses? Is it an Airport or DSL router/switch? With DHCP it should check to see if the ip is used before assigning a new one. Again, I'm not sure what's assigning your IP's but you may be able to limit the range it can draw from or map the static in it for the one you assign. My home network switch router always seems to assign number fairly close so when I need to work on someones computer I know I can give it an ip that ends with .253 and not have an issue. At work we use staic IP's predominantly with blocks of IP's reserved for VPN connections and such.
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#11 2003-01-11 1:45 am
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Re: Networking help
I have my connection with Rogers and they are changing the adresses frequently so I can'y count on the range. At the moment my IP is 24.141.238.64 and on another machine it's 24.141.234.132 so it doesn't give me much to work with. A while ago I was configuring a PC on the same network with Dave and I was allowed to assign it an IP with the last digits one # higher and it seemed to work but that machine was using a connection. At the moment the iBook is not here so I can't actually test it. I was hoping there was a sure way of doing this. I guess I'm going to have to trouble shoot it a little more and test it with the actual iBook. Thanks a lot for your help by the way.
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#12 2003-01-11 2:00 am
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Hope its really help. It looks like you don't have a switch/router set up on the network and that your DSL/modem is doing some of the routing work? Additionally with the ip's you listed I'm guessing the subnet mask isn't 255.255.255.0 but rather something like 255.255.128.0. The subnet identify's the network and defines the range of IP's available. If the mask is 255.255.255.0 then there is only 253 available ip's on the network. If the mask is 255.255.128.0 then the available number of ip's just went into the thousands(to tired to remember or figure out the actaul number). With a DSL router your ISP gives an IP to it and then it assigns numbers to the attached devices and routes(NAT network address translation) everything in/out through the ip assigned by the ISP. Then as far as the ISP is aware there is only one device on the network.
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#13 2003-01-11 2:13 am
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Re: Networking help
I tried to set up NAT and I couldn't get that to work either. I have a Lynksys router but I don't believe that it's controling my IP's. My SM is 255.255.230.0 (good/bad?). Is there anyway I can link my 2 machines without going through the router used for our net connection without buying another ethernet card?
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#14 2003-01-11 12:47 pm
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Re: Networking help
I tried to set up NAT and I couldn't get that to work either. I have a Lynksys router but I don't believe that it's controling my IP's. My SM is 255.255.230.0 (good/bad?). Is there anyway I can link my 2 machines without going through the router used for our net connection without buying another ethernet card?
The SM is neither good nor bad, it just say's that there are a lot more assignable ip's for that network. What is the model number of your Lynksys? Perhaps I can look it up and see what its capable of. My home router is an el cheapo made by Trendnet, but it required no setup. By default it was set up to act as a DHCP server and all that was required on the client side was for them to use DHCP.Are any of the computers attached acting as a server(OS-X.2 server) to the outside world? That would be the only reason for mapping static addresses.
I've heard/seen that you can link computers via the USB ports, but I'm unfamiliar with the practice. If your router has enough ports, there is no reason it shouldn't work.
Just so I'm thinking clearly your network is:
DSL modem---->Linksys router(4 port?)====>G3(desktop?)/G4(OS-X server)=====>iBook/another mystery computer?
Does that look right?
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#15 2003-01-11 4:43 pm
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Re: Networking help
My G4 is running OS X.2 server but it's only for my ftp and web serving, it's not controlling the other machines in anyway. My setup is:
modem----4 port router---then --- G4---G3----iBook---another G4
Each comp has it's own connection to the router. When the iBook is not pluged in and I restaret the G3, it steals it's connection even if I assign it an IP manualy.
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#16 2003-01-11 7:02 pm
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Re: Networking help
From the ip's that are being provided and assigned to the machines that router has to be a hub or it has not got the rogers connections going to the wan side but rather to the lan side.
The fellow has been right in all his suggestions but if you have a router not a hub the ips on your local network have to be either manually set or by some device on your lan. The machines on your lan will not care that you Rogers has changed the ips if you have router.
If you do have a router in there, there is a serious disconnect in the discusion because the network would not work that way and Rogers would have no idea of how many machines are there. Even mac addressing is hidden by the routers.
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