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As a baby boomer who grew up on the original, It amazes me that Star Trek is singled out as being stupid when I see how successfull all these "reality" shows and other such rot have become.  Perhaps some of use enjoyed the best the medium had to offer at the time while appreciating the message behind the glitz.......it is totally a pleasure to watch an episode that no one else seems to get......but, that's just me.

Nail on the head.

As much as I hate to admit it, Star Trek is just not the future of Sci-Fi entertainment.

We live in a post-Matrix world now.  It's all whiz-bang special effects and people fighting in slo-mo.

Star Trek was drama in a sci-fi setting.

I find it interesting that the "best" Star Trek movies were "Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact."  Both movies are pure popcorn chompers with clearly defined good guys and bad guys and tons of eye candy.

Nobody want to see anyone act anymore.

I heard something about Firefly becoming a movie. Anyone have any info?

I hope not.  From what I saw, that show was only about cramming as much sex as possible into a 45 minute slot.

As much as I hate to admit it, Star Trek is just not the future of Sci-Fi entertainment.

We live in a post-Matrix world now.  It's all whiz-bang special effects and people fighting in slo-mo.

Star Trek was drama in a sci-fi setting.

I find it interesting that the "best" Star Trek movies were "Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact."  Both movies are pure popcorn chompers with clearly defined good guys and bad guys and tons of eye candy.

Nobody want to see anyone act anymore.

I both know and hope you're wrong. 

While Wrath of Khan and First Contact had a lot of action, they also had their fair share of charactor development and plot.  You don't think they had good acting?  The reason they work where other Treks don't is because they have an interesting story and action at the same time. 

Movies like Insurrection won't work because it's basically a TV episode built into a movie.  Not a very good episode at that, either.  I couldn't care less about the acting in the movie if it's boring. 

I'd conclude that the best of the best combine all the best features togethor.  Nemesis was a popcorn flick that didn't do too well.  Why?  Because the story was stupid.  You're wrong in saying that the ones that work are "pure popcorn chompers with clearly defined good guys and bad guys and tons of eye candy" because they also had stories that mattered.

...and then ultimately making out with a girl... 

Continue.....

I heard something about Firefly becoming a movie. Anyone have any info?

I hope not.  From what I saw, that show was only about cramming as much sex as possible into a 45 minute slot.

Which episode(s) did you see? The ads would give you that impression but it isn't like that. It is Fox so of course they are going to try to emphasize the sex.

I couldn't tell you the episode...  All I remember was some butch woman running around trying to seduce people, and then ultimately making out with a girl... 

Ah, that was the episode with the most sex (only attempted girl on girl). And the girl she was going to make out with knew the woman was really evil and she was just delivering the ship to other evil people. It was one of those evil woman attempts to seduce everyone long enough to kill everyone episode. Yeah, kind of corny but better than reality tv.

I heard something about Firefly becoming a movie. Anyone have any info?

I hope not.  From what I saw, that show was only about cramming as much sex as possible into a 45 minute slot.

Which episode(s) did you see? The ads would give you that impression but it isn't like that. It is Fox so of course they are going to try to emphasize the sex.

I couldn't tell you the episode...  All I remember was some butch woman running around trying to seduce people, and then ultimately making out with a girl... 

Ah, that was the episode with the most sex (only attempted girl on girl). And the girl she was going to make out with knew the woman was really evil and she was just delivering the ship to other evil people. It was one of those evil woman attempts to seduce everyone long enough to kill everyone episode. Yeah, kind of corny but better than reality tv.

That describes everything not reality TV.  cspan is better than reality TV. 

Star Trek (Esp Next Gen. and on) is retarded nonsense enjoyed only by idiots.

There. I've said it.

Funny, FINALLY MENTIONED IS THAT: All the spinoffs 'cept for Next Gen are entirely based on presenting Male Eye Candy to it's best advantage.
In other words, you don't "watch" if you're a guy, you LOOK, OGLE and work on vid-capturing 7of9 and (what's the Jolene Blaylock Vulcan fem character in Enterprise?).  Plot?  Who cares unless "Plot" is the name of the next BABE on deck for Star Fleet.

Sticking with that appeal gaurantees longevity, like the endless life of the Rockettes is dependent on those high kicks.  Star Trekettes forever!!

Other than that, the best things about Enterprise are the opening song & graphics and the "prequel" premise. 

If the spinoffs are just inteded to be eye candy for men...  Why do women watch?

BIGOT!!!!

That one was over my head...  Sorry. 

I missed the sexual reference. Why the  ?

There's a lot of smart people who were inspired by StarTrek and some of those folks were involved in getting us to the moon.

What?

Getting us to the moon was almost entirely a Political decision and inspiration (Kennedy proclaimed we'd get there long before Star Trek ever aired).

The designs, technology and logistics for the Apollo missions were set for use by '67 as well (they didn't just throw #11 up after seeing Kirk fight the Gorn.)

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If you want reality, watch the History Channel, TLC or Animal Planet.

-mark

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