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#51 2003-12-01 8:52 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
While I am not for affirmative active - the fact of the matter is that it is easier to get a job if you are white. Affirmative Action was an attempt to correct that, though I think it went about it the wrong way.
It may be in CA, but not in Mass, if you are white you are the last one looked at because they have to give minorities the chance first... even though in many cases I may be more qualified (not to mention can speak english fluently) than most in the jobs I go for... but because I'm anything but a minority I'm normally overlooked.
Trust me I haven't been out of work for a year for the hell of it.
CyberpawzAnd that HAS to be because you're white, right?
I think affirmitive action has to be the number one excuse for white guys who cannot find a job. Unless your potential employer told you "I'd like to hire you, but I'm going to hire this black dude, instead" (which I highly doubt) chances are it is some other reason. For one thing, maybe you can speak english better than other candidates, but that doesn't really mean anything. In many, many occupations, a good knowledge of english is not as valuable as a slightly-lesser knowledge of several languages, which most minorities probably have.If your boss, or coworkers can't understand your employees, or visa versa what use are you to the other?
CyberpawzI highly doubt that the employer would hire someone who didn't speak english well enough to be understood.
Don't bet on it, when I worked for BC, it took a week for the people I worked with to get past the accents that some of the people we worked with used... so we could actually understand them, and visa versa...english wasn't their first language...
Not to mention on the same note, why should I have to learn another language in a country where english is the primary language, just to communicate with others who have come to this country to get away from whatever they did.... they came here, they should learn the language as my great grandmother, and her parents did when they came to the US...
If I wanted to learn another language I would, but I shouldn't have to learn it just to be able to work in the country I was born in, where the language I am learning is not the native language of the country. (not to mention the international language of money) or so it has been said for a while.
CyberpawzFirst off, there is no official national language. That's just a simple fact.
Secondly, an employer who wants to sell his goods to a spanish-speaking community (off topic, spanish language marketing is one of the fastest growing fields in the country) doesn't give a smurf what language your grandmother learned. Neither do I.
Well guess what, I don't care what you think, you probably will never hire me anyway due to other reasons...but that's another story, and would probably be justified for AA lawsuits..and technically so would the statement you said above if we take it for it's true meaning of AA, you can not give a job to someone just because they can't speak another language, unless it's in the description...which if it was I wouldn't be attempting to get the job.
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#52 2003-12-01 8:53 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
What we need is to get proper education throughout the country, regardless of poor community or not. We need to give kids decent textbooks, decent lab equipment, and qualified teachers.
DING DING DING DING DING
That is the right answer. Too bad that certain governments are too busy dropping bombs that are smarter than the average high school student...
At least the bomb can find Iraq on a map
Sorry for the sarcasm (actually, I am not sorry at all!
A good education for everyone should be a total priority. Too bad it isnt
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.
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#53 2003-12-01 9:14 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.
imho in California I think spanish should be required learning in the classroom - and should be taught from the first grade on up.
I don't speak spanish - but I wish I did, a large enough portion of the state speaks it that I think we need to embrace it as a state. Besides - being multi-lingual while you are young makes it much easier to learn other languages when you are an adult and need to for business reasons.
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#54 2003-12-01 9:16 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
What we need is to get proper education throughout the country, regardless of poor community or not. We need to give kids decent textbooks, decent lab equipment, and qualified teachers.
DING DING DING DING DING
That is the right answer. Too bad that certain governments are too busy dropping bombs that are smarter than the average high school student...
At least the bomb can find Iraq on a map
Sorry for the sarcasm (actually, I am not sorry at all!
A good education for everyone should be a total priority. Too bad it isntit should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.
Cyberpawz
Were you victimized by a spanish teacher or something?
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#55 2003-12-01 9:26 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.imho in California I think spanish should be required learning in the classroom - and should be taught from the first grade on up.
I don't speak spanish - but I wish I did, a large enough portion of the state speaks it that I think we need to embrace it as a state. Besides - being multi-lingual while you are young makes it much easier to learn other languages when you are an adult and need to for business reasons.
English first, spanish next... if it's really needed.
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.
But instead of the people coming from Mexico illegally to begin with, why should we learn their language...so we can reward them for breaking the law?
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#56 2003-12-01 9:26 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Man, somebody here is really beginning to sound like a bigot. And not a "crusty but likable" Archie Bunker way, either.
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#57 2003-12-01 9:29 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
What we need is to get proper education throughout the country, regardless of poor community or not. We need to give kids decent textbooks, decent lab equipment, and qualified teachers.
DING DING DING DING DING
That is the right answer. Too bad that certain governments are too busy dropping bombs that are smarter than the average high school student...
At least the bomb can find Iraq on a map
Sorry for the sarcasm (actually, I am not sorry at all!
A good education for everyone should be a total priority. Too bad it isntit should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.
CyberpawzWere you victimized by a spanish teacher or something?
No I just think that the language which is widely accepted as the norm should be taught first. Until they make Spanish, French, Russian, or even Latin the country's language, english should be taught first, no acceptions, then if they want to take a 2nd language they can. The same should be done in other areas, but as soon as we have control over the schools again, the sooner we will start taking care of everything else.
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#58 2003-12-01 9:29 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.
What good has come from Mexico?
Hm, let's see - how about all the fruit and vegetables at your local salad bar?
Even much of the stuff grown here is grown by immigrant workers - and largely spanish speaking.
Our neighbors to the south speak spanish - Mexico and Cuba.
Sure - some Canadians speak French - but Spanish makes a lot more sense given our location in the world.
Learn Spanish and Portuguese and you got most of the new world covered.
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#59 2003-12-01 9:32 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Man, somebody here is really beginning to sound like a bigot. And not a "crusty but likable" Archie Bunker way, either.
An ignorant bigot, at that. He said that "more countries speak French than Spanish", and spelled Don Quixote with a "j". 
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#60 2003-12-01 9:32 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.imho in California I think spanish should be required learning in the classroom - and should be taught from the first grade on up.
I don't speak spanish - but I wish I did, a large enough portion of the state speaks it that I think we need to embrace it as a state. Besides - being multi-lingual while you are young makes it much easier to learn other languages when you are an adult and need to for business reasons.English first, spanish next... if it's really needed.
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.
More people worldwide speak spanish than french, and far more people in the U.S. speak spanish than French. That's not going to change anytime soon, and as such, spanish is the most helpful language to learn in the United States besides english.
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#61 2003-12-01 9:32 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.What good has come from Mexico?
Hm, let's see - how about all the fruit and vegetables at your local salad bar?
Even much of the stuff grown here is grown by immigrant workers - and largely spanish speaking.
Our neighbors to the south speak spanish - Mexico and Cuba.
Sure - some Canadians speak French - but Spanish makes a lot more sense given our location in the world.
Learn Spanish and Portuguese and you got most of the new world covered.
Most of the stuff here is grown by immigrant workers, it's nice that you actually leave off the words illegal to that description. 
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#62 2003-12-01 9:33 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.imho in California I think spanish should be required learning in the classroom - and should be taught from the first grade on up.
I don't speak spanish - but I wish I did, a large enough portion of the state speaks it that I think we need to embrace it as a state. Besides - being multi-lingual while you are young makes it much easier to learn other languages when you are an adult and need to for business reasons.English first, spanish next... if it's really needed.
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.
But instead of the people coming from Mexico illegally to begin with, why should we learn their language...so we can reward them for breaking the law?
Cyberpawz
You do know that Don Quijote is Spanish, right?
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#63 2003-12-01 9:35 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
it should be but unthankfully we are trying to teach kids things in dual languages instead of one language in a single classroom now.imho in California I think spanish should be required learning in the classroom - and should be taught from the first grade on up.
I don't speak spanish - but I wish I did, a large enough portion of the state speaks it that I think we need to embrace it as a state. Besides - being multi-lingual while you are young makes it much easier to learn other languages when you are an adult and need to for business reasons.English first, spanish next... if it's really needed.
Beyond Don Quijote, and Tequila, what good has come from Mexico? Really, think of it, I think French would be a better language to learn than Spanish... more countries speak french than spanish.
But instead of the people coming from Mexico illegally to begin with, why should we learn their language...so we can reward them for breaking the law?
CyberpawzYou do know that Don Quijote is Spanish, right?
Sorry yes, I realized that after I posted 
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#64 2003-12-01 9:40 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Man, somebody here is really beginning to sound like a bigot. And not a "crusty but likable" Archie Bunker way, either.
An ignorant bigot, at that.
as opposed to an enlightened bigot?
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#65 2003-12-01 10:55 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Most of the stuff here is grown by immigrant workers, it's nice that you actually leave off the words illegal to that description.
I'm not sure that's true.
But it's not relevent - you still benefit from their labor. Labor that many "unemployed white folk" feel is beneath them.
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#66 2003-12-01 11:29 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Most of the stuff here is grown by immigrant workers, it's nice that you actually leave off the words illegal to that description.I'm not sure that's true.
But it's not relevent - you still benefit from their labor. Labor that many "unemployed white folk" feel is beneath them.
I wouldn't say that, there are plenty that would be willing to just work right now...I know some people that are working for minimum wage just to eat, forget about paying rent...
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#67 2003-12-02 11:22 am
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
I wouldn't say that, there are plenty that would be willing to just work right now...I know some people that are working for minimum wage just to eat, forget about paying rent...
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Not you though.
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#68 2003-12-02 12:34 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Don't bet on it, when I worked for BC, it took a week for the people I worked with to get past the accents that some of the people we worked with used... so we could actually understand them, and visa versa...english wasn't their first language...
Not to mention on the same note, why should I have to learn another language in a country where english is the primary language, just to communicate with others who have come to this country to get away from whatever they did.... they came here, they should learn the language as my great grandmother, and her parents did when they came to the US...
If I wanted to learn another language I would, but I shouldn't have to learn it just to be able to work in the country I was born in, where the language I am learning is not the native language of the country. (not to mention the international language of money) or so it has been said for a while.
Cyberpawz
So people have accents? Get over it, already.
Man, you do a lot of fence straddling, you know that? You demand that minorities learn the language of the demographic majority, attribute their poverty to their fault and laziness, and demand that they assimilate or leave -- and yet you live in an area that is largely populated with racial minorities, refuse to learn to speak with them either to communicate or to even find a job. And somehow your bad luck is all their fault? Somehow your inability to work is a societal fault, and theirs is because they are lazy.
The same should be done in other areas, but as soon as we have control over the schools again, the sooner we will start taking care of everything else.
By "we" you mean White people, right?
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#69 2003-12-02 12:37 pm
Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
And then people will tell you it's racism to ignore people's race. This is what I see around me, and it disgusts me.
It disgusts me as well.
The whole purpose of Civil Rights is to look beyond race and ethnic and religion issues.
In other words, individual rights!
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#70 2003-12-02 1:13 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
Don't bet on it, when I worked for BC, it took a week for the people I worked with to get past the accents that some of the people we worked with used... so we could actually understand them, and visa versa...english wasn't their first language...
Not to mention on the same note, why should I have to learn another language in a country where english is the primary language, just to communicate with others who have come to this country to get away from whatever they did.... they came here, they should learn the language as my great grandmother, and her parents did when they came to the US...
If I wanted to learn another language I would, but I shouldn't have to learn it just to be able to work in the country I was born in, where the language I am learning is not the native language of the country. (not to mention the international language of money) or so it has been said for a while.
CyberpawzSo people have accents? Get over it, already.
Man, you do a lot of fence straddling, you know that? You demand that minorities learn the language of the demographic majority, attribute their poverty to their fault and laziness, and demand that they assimilate or leave -- and yet you live in an area that is largely populated with racial minorities, refuse to learn to speak with them either to communicate or to even find a job. And somehow your bad luck is all their fault? Somehow your inability to work is a societal fault, and theirs is because they are lazy.
The same should be done in other areas, but as soon as we have control over the schools again, the sooner we will start taking care of everything else.By "we" you mean White people, right?
If you go to any other country to work and live, they expect you within time to learn their language, if not already know it to begin with. You also can't come into their countries without a visa stating why you are there, and for how long. And in many cases you can't stay longer than 3 to 6 months at a time.
If you are to become a citizen of the US you should be able to say more than what is needed to be repeated at your ceremony.
Unthankfully, that is as far as it goes now, come to any part of an area in Mass like Lynn, the Getthos of Boston, or even the ones in Lowell (where I happen to live) And you will see what I am talking about just blatantly screaming out at you every day of the week.
They don't know our language because they choose not to learn it, yet they demand they are given the rights of everyone else even though they care nothing about the country they live in. All they want is a pay check, and a quick bitch to smurf or, to spend their money on alcohol, or drugs, and they are happy.
They don't care about our welfare, yet they demand that we care about their welfare... why?
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#71 2003-12-02 1:57 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
yeah, that really addressed the issue.
geeze, man, if you really despise being around people who aren't white, then move.
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#72 2003-12-02 4:33 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
yeah, that really addressed the issue.
geeze, man, if you really despise being around people who aren't white, then move.
I don't mind people who are of a different nationality, I just get highly annoyed with the ones that choose to not learn our customs, and language. And then demand we learn theirs so their life is easier for them...
If they come to this country, they should learn our language, customs, and laws, it's as simple as that. If we go to theirs we are expected to learn theirs if we are to get a job there, and live there... so the same should be said for them coming here.
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Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#73 2003-12-02 4:34 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
any customs or laws you've seen problems with or are you just making smurf up?
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#74 2003-12-02 4:43 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
any customs or laws you've seen problems with or are you just making smurf up?
What you mean the Cocane bust that was done next door was just a falicy? Or the fact that we have roughly two gangs that live in this general area... Oh yeah, I forgot, calling a puta and other more colorful things really is good too isn't it?
Threatened twice at knife point, and once at gun point, within the last year, reporting animal abuse to the police as well. The police make arrests every day around here... not to mention that they don't patrol past a certain time, for the worry of their own safety... I hear gunshots nightly, and pray that a stray bullet won't be coming my way in the night...
I don't know I think I have a pretty good idea of what they think of this country if they want to smurf it up so badly that only people who have no choice in their life right now has to live in an area like this.
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Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#75 2003-12-02 4:49 pm
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Re: I am tired of people getting Affirmative Action wrong!
You mean there aren't drug laws or violent crime laws in other countries?? So that's the problem, immigrants aren't used to our laws restricting robbery or drug dealing.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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