Forums | MacLife

Also, does kicking kids out of school actually help them? Okay, they bring drugs or a weapon (lets pretend they are real). What happens? The kid gets kicked out of school and basically drops off the face of the earth. Yeah, they might get some counseling but the kid has a disadvantage for the rest of their life for a stupid mistake. How about we help the kids before they make the stupid decision? (And none of this DARE crap, that only taught kids what drugs were the "good" ones.) You need people involved with the school and get the kids involved with the community. After school activities do this nicely. Unfortunately, after school programs are usually the first to be cut. They need the money to build those prisons you know.

I think you guys need to work in the educational system to find out why school districts are forced to enforce such ridiculous rules. All you need to do is talk to one parent who supports what their children do (such as underage drinking, drugs, violence, etc.), and then you'll end up doing this:

We had a "zero tolerance" policy at my school, but there were teachers (pretty much any teacher i had that was a coach of a sport or physical activity) that knew and understood and were fine with the fact that kids carried around pain killers for those days that suck. There were some teachers that were of course the hard nosed/stick up their butt/by the book ones, but oh well.

If you allowed things like advil, it would probably get easier for the drug dealers.  The drug dogs smell something, so the cops open up the backpack.  It looks like tylenol, but the school can't know 100% and now has to pay to test the tylenol and figure out if that's what it really is.

I'm not saying that zero tolerance is a totally good idea, but at least schools are making the effort to keep drugs off campus.

woah...woah....
some XTC looks like Altoids, lets suspend kids for having mints,

zero tolerance of fresh minty breath

Getting kicked out of a school is gay. I hate all the smurf head teachers who suspend people for every little step out f line. Sooo gay that that person got kicked out for Advil. I hate 95% of teachers most of them don't do there jobs and the ones who arre the worst want the hightened pay.

I don't understand why you (and others in this thread) are pissed off at the teachers about it.  Wouldn't it be better to be pissed off at the school district?

Don't attack the messenger, after all...

bah, this is stupid, last week i had a headache and my teacher gave me tylenol cuz i had already run out that day. Most people in school have common sense and aren't going to do anything dumb. I also carry a swiss army knife with me and have lent it to teachers during class; they weren't upset that I had it on me, they were actually quite happy.
Dumb people hurt my head *pops some more advil*

In a perfect world, zero tolerance polcies such as this would sound insane. However we teachers don't work and live in a perfect world, so we have these policies to protect out butts.

IF a school permitted OTC drugs, then can you imagine the nightmare of trying to figure out what little Marie gave to Sammy in the cafeteria because his head hurt? It was a white pill? Out of what bottle? You say its aspirin? Did Marie know Sammy is allergic to aspirin? The schools would be open to lawsuits that it would probably lose big time because they permitted students to self-medicate.... and gues who's taxes will pay the settlements.

With zero tolerance, Little Marie gets expelled and the school can claim no liability in the matter. If Sammy's parents want to sue Marie's, then have at it.

Better to say no pills at all. Period.

So what about the suspension because of finger nail clippers?

Also, by your logic anyone caught with peanut button on school grounds should be expelled because of deadly peanut allergies that can be brought on by even the smell of peanut butter.

In a perfect world, zero tolerance polcies such as this would sound insane. However we teachers don't work and live in a perfect world, so we have these policies to protect out butts.

IF a school permitted OTC drugs, then can you imagine the nightmare of trying to figure out what little Marie gave to Sammy in the cafeteria because his head hurt? It was a white pill? Out of what bottle? You say its aspirin? Did Marie know Sammy is allergic to aspirin? The schools would be open to lawsuits that it would probably lose big time because they permitted students to self-medicate.... and gues who's taxes will pay the settlements.

With zero tolerance, Little Marie gets expelled and the school can claim no liability in the matter. If Sammy's parents want to sue Marie's, then have at it.

Better to say no pills at all. Period.

So what about the suspension because of finger nail clippers?

Also, by your logic anyone caught with peanut button on school grounds should be expelled because of deadly peanut allergies that can be brought on by even the smell of peanut butter.

I think you mis-interpreted that, big-time.  He says zero-tolerence is really only there to protect the school.  But just because the school says they have zero-tolerence against whatever, does not mean that they will actually take action against whatever.

In other words, if you don't do anything that hurts someone, you won't get in trouble, but if you do hurt someone, the school can say that it is not their fault that the students broke the rules.

I really hate to be this way... but... Saruman is pretty much right.  People would sue the school, as stupid as that is.  So the schools have a right (just like anyone else) to cover their asses.

I was stunned to see this thread at all.  This policy has been in effect for a long time.  If we had any kind of drug, over the counter or prescribed, we had to turn it in at the nurses office with an explanation and go there to get it & take it.  That was there to ensure that the right person got the medication and no one accidently got ahold of something that they were allergic too.  With the whole added part that if you then had something in your person that the dogs sniffed out, OTC and prescribed drugs were ruled out (for those who actually did what they were supposed to).

After I got older, I understood the purpose of it all.  I thought it was stupid when I was in school tho.  Here's the reality... not everyone out there knows what they are and aren't allergic to.. and not everyone out there is honest to their classmate about what they're handing off to them.  Parents are supposed to teach their children that you don't take anything (even food) from anyone (including your "friends") because you can never be 100% sure what you're going to get.  Parents don't do that as much as they used to, I don't think - They rely on the system to take care of their children, using the schools as glorified babysitters - consequently, in their minds, the school system is responsible to anything that happens to their children while on school premises.  It's good that the school system found an out from these asswipes, it's bad that their zero tolerance rule often counteracts common sence tho.  But that's the way it is, you can never have it both ways.. there is no happy medium.

And just to throw in the extra jab.. That girl's parents recieved a notice at the beginning of the year stating that any medications had to be given to the nurse's office, whether they were OTC or prescription.  That smurf went out every year when I was in school... and every year my parents had to go thru loops so I could have tylenol.. And oh yea... those nurses will not give you a damn thing (no matter how much pain they know you're in) if you do not have your bottle there with them!

But just to address it again.. some people really don't know that they are allergic to certain stuff.. Not everyone gets allergy testing done at the hospital.  It'd be really sad at that tender age to find out that you were responsible for the death of your friend, wouldn't it?

It all goes back to simplicity... when parents start playing their role as parents again and stop laying it off on babysitters, schools, companies, drivers, ect..  All of those people will stop feeling the need to be so damn petrified of being sued for crap that's wwaaay above and beyond the call of their duty to someone else's children!  Damn people gave birth to them.. atleast freaking teach them the basics... Don't take ANYTHING from ANYONE even if you think you know what it is!!!

*wiggles off mummbling something about people who shouldn't be allowed to procreate..*

DUDE, when your old enough to buy the drug... advil... lets see no age requirement, kicking someone out of school for it is smurfing RETARDED.  Dont blame the messanger, smurf has that bitch ever had a headache, apparently NOT.  I always carried advill or tylenol with me and if some smurf had tried to get  me in trouble over it I would be in prison right now for KICKING THEIR ASS.  Stupidest thing I have ever heard.  Cover their asses, yeah, I could see if the girl was selling the advil.  But no the girl had frequent headaches, which I have and is not prescribable by a doctor(I have talked to my family physicain and my optomotrist, both tell me to see the other idiot).  This is blatant missuse of a rule or the blatant need of fine print for idoits who would interpret a zero-tolerance policy for any drug that can be legaly bought at that age!  This is not what those policies are for, not that their intended use is any better.  Schools have fogotten that they are their to teach kids not police them.  To all you parents: YOU are supposed to raise your kids, not the public school system.

OH yeah, last time I checked, advil never got anyone high, and you would have to take a hell of a lot of it to kill your selfl as the LD50 is very LOW.

STill havent read all of the post above, but yeah the whole give your meds to the nurse... it never works as most teachers are asses about letting you go get them or are real imature dicks about.  So yeah, doesnt work, infact its a joke/BS cover for the rule.


edit:  Its really sad when the punishment for the cigarettes, which is illegal for someone her age to have/obtain and is a huge no no for any one on school grounds, is a lesser punishment than a LEGAL drug for her!
This I am sorry is just IGNORANT... hella good educators we have here in the US.

Oh and private school, did that for a while, sorry but it was lame as hell and public school suited me a lot better.  I personally am glad I went to public school for high school, but to each his own.

Man, teachers aren't allowed to distribute band aids! That is pretty smurfed up if you ask me. At my old schools metal sculpture/manufacturing lab I got injured so often and the nurses office was so far away I just started taping paper towels over my smaller wounds.

Same thing with stage crew, also being on the oposite side plus 3 floors up from the nurses office. However, since we were there on saturdays we got special permission to have a first aid kit, BUT NO USING IT DURING WEEKDAYS!

Something about "we could be liable if we give you a band aid and you subsequently die from improper treatment."

I hate them so much.

I was PO'd when I first read this thread and it can be seen in my earlier response.  But, I guess you can say all of this is the result of frivolous lawsuits, ignorant juries and judges awarding retards for spilling coffee ect.  No one will take responsibility for their own actions anymore.  The other part, like with the band-aid issue Shio brings up is simply people being pussies and not standing up to ignorance.  This is rather disturbing, especially as Rockstar and company is being sued over murder because two punk kids are able to get off the rap by claiming the game influenced them.  As they say in South Park, "Blame Canada".  This mentality seems to be taking over everywhere.  People need to take responsibility for their own actions.  The music didn't make you do it, and satan is to old school.

I hate stupid people, especially the stubborn thoughtless people in charge. This is completely unfair.