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#1 2004-01-07 5:36 am
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ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI) - Rob Art sent a note that some G5s at MWSF had a new "9800 Pro Special Edition" (retail) graphics card with 256MB RAM, 8x AGP and DVI+ADC port. (Only works in G5s he said - current BTO/OEM Mac 9800 Pros are 128MB, with the OEM card being 8x AGP/G5 only with ADC+DVI and the 4x AGP retail 9800 Pro having DVI+VGA - see this comparison page for my previous tests/comparisons of those two models.) I'll try to get more info (price, when it will be available, etc.) from my ATI contacts at the show. Nothing yet on this card at the ATI website as of tonight.
I want to know why ATI went through the trouble of doing this. What Mac games could possibly use the extra 128MB?
It's going to be really expensive too, though ATI hasn't announced it yet on their site.
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#3 2004-01-07 8:44 am
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
UT '03 has a few quality settings that switch on with 256M cards, and Call of Duty is on the way.
Like so many other WW2 shooters, Call of Duty is based on a modified version of id Software's Quake 3 engine. Infinity Ward has taken the engine to a whole new level however, with scenes featuring higher polygon counts, a new lighting/shadow system, revamped animation/hit detection, and first generation pixel and vertex shaders.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/cal … efault.asp
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With 4xAA enabled, we begin to see some real separation between the high-end, mainstream, and value cards in Call of Duty, even at the low resolutions. While the RADEON cards with 256-bit memory interfaces are able to push frame rates in excess of 100 fps at 1024x768, the greater demands of 4xAA are beginning to saturate the other cards. This is what makes these cards such great performers.
You will also see that the RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB outperforms its 128MB cousin by 29% at 1600x1200, this is the first time we've seen this in a game based on the Q3 engine. This is a big swing too, as the RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB isn't delivering playable frame rates at this resolution (although this is subjective) while at 80 fps, the RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB definitely is.
Those of you that ponied up the extra dough for this card will likely be glad to see this. In fact, your card is running neck-and-neck with the RADEON 9800 XT. If you were considering a 128MB RADEON 9800 XT card, you may want to think twice before you make your final decision.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/cal … /page7.asp
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#4 2004-01-07 12:13 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
I think it's great that ATI decided to do this, and frankly it's a bit surprising, considering they already make a very similar card that's already the undisputed champion of the Mac video card market, and that the Mac market is a small fraction the size of the Windows one (with accordingly less room for different card options). There's always a tiny number of hardcore enthusiasts who'll pay top dollar to get the absolute cutting edge, but normally one would think there wouldn't be quite enough of them to justify offering that cutting edge. ATI must have taken a look at some market numbers and decided otherwise, at least for the moment, just long enough to risk it.
I'm glad. For someone who wants the absolute best possible tech on his or her Mac and is willing to pay for it, this allows one to build a system with no compromises whatsoever - one can get the top card, presumably clocked at the full speed, with the maximum RAM allotment given any version of the card, complete with ATI's full-featured control panel software, and have ADC support. Swanktastic. Nice one, ATI. I just wish I had the money to get a G5, and then to get this card for it.
I can't personally contribute to this card's sales, but I really hope it does well; if it were clearly demonstrated that cardmakers can indeed profit from offering their absolute top of the line on the Mac (as opposed to having "close" versions that offer 90% or 95% or whatever of the performance), I think we'll all benefit from it.
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#5 2004-01-07 5:35 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Sweet Jesus I want that card 
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#6 2004-01-07 6:16 pm
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I'm happy a video card manufacturer actually decided to up the video RAM on the card to match the video RAM on the PC version. It always pissed me off that the cards were usually way more expensive and had half the video RAM.
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#7 2004-01-07 7:42 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
I'm happy a video card manufacturer actually decided to up the video RAM on the card to match the video RAM on the PC version. It always pissed me off that the cards were usually way more expensive and had half the video RAM.
We've over come half the battle
Got the ram but still the smurf price lol
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#8 2004-01-07 8:39 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Personally, I would much rather have seen a version of the 9600PRO. It would really be nice to actually have the option of buying a quality mid-end card that most of us could actually afford. At this time the only option we really have are obscenely expensive high-end cards or garbage that is still way over priced. Thanks for nothing ATi.
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#9 2004-01-07 10:06 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Personally, I would much rather have seen a version of the 9600PRO.
Back when I still considered my Cube a gaming machine, that was my ideal card: pretty powerful, pretty cheap, and no damn extra power connector.
Now that I built a PC to game on, guess what video card I have in it... a Radeon 9600 Pro (that is now overclocked, like everything else in my PC).

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#10 2004-01-08 1:17 am
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Oh, I am so very pleased to see my Radeon 9000 at the bottom of the league table. Kind of a "we knew this ancient card was below spec, but we tried it for a laugh" gesture.
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#11 2004-01-08 1:29 pm
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i could definitely handle one of those suckers in my computer... but i don't think i'd be able to justify it to myself, without buying a g5 to go around it, since the graphics card isn't the limiting factor in my computer right now.
but i still want one.
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#12 2004-01-08 3:29 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
ATI posts PR page on Mac 9800 Pro Special Edition (256MB/ADC + DVI) - In a follow-up to Tuesday's news post, ATI's website now has a press release on the 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition for G5s. (Still nothing there as of this morning on the 9000 based Mac PCI card also shown at MWSF.) List price of the 9800 Pro Special Edition is $469. I thought it might have the higher core/memory clock speeds of the PC 9800 XT version but it doesn't based on the specs in the PR doc vs the XT PC model specs (412/730MHz vs 380/680MHz). Here's a clip from the press release page:
" ...The RADEON 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition has a leading edge 256 MB of ultra fast DDR memory, with 680 MHZ data rate and a core engine speed of 380 MHZ. To facilitate a trouble free upgrade, this new graphics card is supported by drivers included within Macintosh OS X and enables a direct connection with Apple branded displays through dual output ADC and DVI connectors.
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#13 2004-01-08 3:52 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
hmm... since i can get any ati card for 40% off i may have to bite since thats only 306 after tax- compared to getting a 9800 from apple for +300
the sad part? i may own the card before the g5
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#14 2004-01-08 4:32 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
I bet all it would take for ATI to make this card is just to write a new ROM to address all 256MB of the cards memory for Mac, and add a new bezel-type thing for the adc+DVI, unless they are offering that through an adapter, in which case all they would have to do is reflash the PC card...
Nope, the ADC equipped cards are a completely different layout than the VGA ones. It's not even remotely close to a bezel change. Just look at pictures of the retail and OEM Radeon 9800s. The new cards are based on the OEM design but with 256 MBs of VRAM and the retail version's speed.
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#15 2004-01-08 7:21 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
I bet all it would take for ATI to make this card is just to write a new ROM to address all 256MB of the cards memory for Mac, and add a new bezel-type thing for the adc+DVI, unless they are offering that through an adapter, in which case all they would have to do is reflash the PC card...Nope, the ADC equipped cards are a completely different layout than the VGA ones. It's not even remotely close to a bezel change. Just look at pictures of the retail and OEM Radeon 9800s. The new cards are based on the OEM design but with 256 MBs of VRAM and the retail version's speed.
Yeah, isn't the deal with ADC that it is DVI but with USB build in? I don't know why some monitors use USB but they do... Apple just builds it into their connection so you don't need wires going all over the place. I am extreamly glad to see ATI putting all of their card on the mac. I will get this card in my G5 unless they put out the 9800 all in wonder cards... but 256MB of vram is hard to pass up too....
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#16 2004-01-08 9:39 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Yeah, isn't the deal with ADC that it is DVI but with USB build in? I don't know why some monitors use USB but they do... Apple just builds it into their connection so you don't need wires going all over the place. I am extreamly glad to see ATI putting all of their card on the mac. I will get this card in my G5 unless they put out the 9800 all in wonder cards... but 256MB of vram is hard to pass up too....
It's a bit more then that. ADC also supplies power to the display so there is no power cable.
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#17 2004-01-09 1:16 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
$469 isn't cheap, but for what you get, it's pretty sweet!! ...couple that with a smokin' G5 and I'll probably need to change me shorts!
I remember paying $399 for an old ATI card with 32mb of RAM for my pre-G3 8600/300! That was tits back then...
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#18 2004-01-09 2:24 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
It's "only" $70 more than the 128 MB card, or about 17.5% more expensive. That doesn't seem all that bad for twice the VRAM and ADC support. I'd definitely go for it if I could.
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#19 2004-01-09 3:24 pm
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It's "only" $70 more than the 128 MB card, or about 17.5% more expensive. That doesn't seem all that bad for twice the VRAM and ADC support. I'd definitely go for it if I could.
and if the 128 mb card doesn't have an adc port on it, you'd be spending more than 100 bucks to get the dvi-adc adapter anyway, might as well save money and get a better card 
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#20 2004-01-10 5:19 pm
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Re: ATI 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB, ADC+DVI)
Sweet Jesus I want that card
Ditto
if only I have a Powermac G5 
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