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Stylewriters 4100, 4500 and 6500 were HP units. Most if not all Laserwriters were HP units as well.

I think the HP iPod deal could be the first successful licensing attempt by Apple. Of course that all depends on the details of the agreement, which we don't know.

I think this is great news!

And here is why, Just about every serious news article I read lately (especially those financial analyst types) congratulates Apple on their current iPod market share, but warns evryone away from investing (or believing) in Apple because NOBODY in the WINDOWS world is using AAC (or Apple's proprietary DRM) and therefore Apple will eventually lose marketshare to ANYONE and EVERYONE that's using Microsoft WMA for their music download service or MP3 player (technically a WMA player?). Heard that haven't Ya?

This will take the wind out of that sail. 

Perhaps the main unit will be blue, but still include white cords.

I hope they still have an external Apple logo on it somewhere, even if they just make it smaller and move it to the block of text at the bottom of the back. Fortunately, it'll apparently still start up with the Apple logo on the screen, so...

[size=9]Other than thier LaserPrinters (Which Apple Bascially invented didn't they? 

No just like the GUI that so many people *think* apple invented, laser printers were invented at none other than Xerox PARC. 

[size=9]Other than thier LaserPrinters (Which Apple Bascially invented didn't they? 

No just like the GUI that so many people *think* apple invented, laser printers were invented at none other than Xerox PARC. 

I figured that was the case (hence the part of the statement about them at least being the first to do it affordably)...

Yeah, it only cost $7000, in 1985, for the first postscript Apple LaserWriters. That is cheap, compared to the first Xerox laser printer for $500,000 in 1978.

I think what you were thinking about, was that a couple of guys left Xerox because they didn't sell their printer controller language commercially. They left and formed Adobe and developed Postscript. Jobs wanted a some great feature to boost sales. He invested a couple of million into Adobe. Adobe developed controllers for the Apple Laserwriter, that was based on HP LaserJets. Apple had the first laser printer that produced typesetter quality prints. Adobe with the help of Apple made the Laserwriter an asset, that the publishing industry could not long live without. Or something like that.

Another plus to this is that now that HP is selling the iPod it will become a favorite corporate gift, thus getting the iPod into the hands of people that would never have considered an mp3 player let alone an iPod.

My company has a HUGE contract with HP (tens of thousands of HP desktops) and I guarantee hPods will be handed out to VIP's and executives by the hundreds if not thousands.

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me, these last couple years proved that iSteve can take Apple from the Performa 6300 to the G5. From small upgrades every week, confusing the public and the fans, to a few great models, awesome machines, and a tidy heirarchy of speeds.

I have full hope that iSteve knows what he's doing. This is just one more step in the direction of Apple conquering the market. .... Eventually.

-Tima is hopeful

Apple is not conquering the market, Apple is moving from being a computer company to electronic entertainment company, aka Sony/RCA.

if you are a big Apple fan, yes, Apple is doing great and moving to the right direction, however if you are a computer fan using Apple computer, Apple's been behind the technology curve for a long time and still do, they catch up some with their latest G5 desktop but fallen even further on their laptop department (not counting style point) of course
imo

Isn't Apple usually one, if not the, first company using a new technology? They have always seemed to implement faster than PCs. How are they behind the technology curve? Perhaps the pricing curve, but tech?

Yeah, I think he's just talking out of his ass.

Also, electronic entertainment company? All of the things Apple creates are designed to work with your computer, unlike the part of Sony I believe you (pcguy) were referring to that creates TVs, home theatre systems, etc. Besides, really they only have the iPod (and, I guess, iTMS) that could be considered in your categorization...

Apple isn't really accepting submissions of single tracks from aspiring musicians to sell online, but I bet they do before you know it.

when steve first introduced iTMS to the world on april 28 of last year, he said that it was good they weren't doing that.  he said something along the lines of "we've got deals with the big 5 and will have independent labels signing on soon.  unlike some subscription services, not just anyone can pay to have their music on the store.  we only have the really good stuff on iTMS."

Apple isn't really accepting submissions of single tracks from aspiring musicians to sell online, but I bet they do before you know it.

when steve first introduced iTMS to the world on april 28 of last year, he said that it was good they weren't doing that.  he said something along the lines of "we've got deals with the big 5 and will have independent labels signing on soon.  unlike some subscription services, not just anyone can pay to have their music on the store.  we only have the really good stuff on iTMS."

To answer the logo question, if you look close at the video linked above you can see that the HP logo is etched on the back of the contraption.  So that would leave the Apple logo to just the startup screen.  And they seemed to have dulled the name, just calling it Digital Music Player for now.  How fancy.

Apple isn't really accepting submissions of single tracks from aspiring musicians to sell online, but I bet they do before you know it.

when steve first introduced iTMS to the world on april 28 of last year, he said that it was good they weren't doing that.  he said something along the lines of "we've got deals with the big 5 and will have independent labels signing on soon.  unlike some subscription services, not just anyone can pay to have their music on the store.  we only have the really good stuff on iTMS."

Well, I imagine it would be more complicated then just sending Apple $20 to have your song on the iTMS.  There would probably be some sort of quality control step in between the independents and Apple.  Think of Apple making its own label, and running it just like one of the Big 5.