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#101 2004-01-11 8:35 pm

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Re: HP iPod

i got an HP advertisement pamplet in the paper today, I thought I might see something about the Hpod, but nothing down


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#102 2004-01-11 8:40 pm

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Re: HP iPod

The program isn't slated to start until June, so there's no sense advertising with that long of a wait.

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#103 2004-01-11 9:08 pm

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Re: HP iPod

The program isn't slated to start until June, so there's no sense advertising with that long of a wait.

O ok, that makes sense.  I wasn't aware that it was still so far away.  I thought it would mention something about it if it was closer.  I smile everytime I see an apple logo... shrug


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#104 2004-01-11 11:50 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Support for WMA to be added to the iPod (or at least HP's version thereof)? Yes, according to Paul Thurrott, though who knows how accurate this is; the way it's phrased, it sounds almost more like a prediction than reporting of actual information gleaned from actual sources (to say nothing of the reliability of reports that also refer to WMA as a "superior" format, FWIW). (Come to think of it, isn't Thurrott an established anti-Mac zealot, or am I thinking of someone else?)

Even so, there it is, and it does make sense that a PC manufacturer partnering with Apple on the 'Pod would want it to offer this feature, so who knows...


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#105 2004-01-12 7:01 am

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Re: HP iPod


Having an HP logo on the back instead of an Apple logo is what would be the dealbreaker for me...   tongue   big_smile

It does indeed.
Too lazy to crop an image, but here's the link:

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#106 2004-01-13 2:17 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Just in: HP is rejecting stories of WMA support being added to the iPod, at least for now:

HP has no plans to support Windows Media Audio (WMA) in its forthcoming own-branded iPod product, contrary to earlier reports.

HP product marketing manager Muffi Ghadali told Wired: 'We're not going to be supporting WMA for now."

He said the company had chosen to work with the most popular digital music distribution service, and wanted to focus on a single format in order not to confuse customers.

Microsoft and others have declared that choosing to adopt the open standards-based AAC format championed by Apple deprives consumers of "freedom of choice". By this, the company means consumers are not using its proprietary Windows Media Audio, which it claims is an industry standard.

However, Apple currently dominates the market, with 70 per cent of digital music sales and 30 per cent market share of iPod music players by units (55 per cent by revenues). Apple-sold music uses the open industry standard, AAC.

Speaking to analysts in November 2003, Apple CEO Steve Jobs dismissed the idea of repurposing Apple's music player to support other standards: "Why should we work with another music store when we are working with the Microsoft of music stores?" he asked.

Speaking in September, Apple's QuickTime marketing director Frank Casanova criticised Microsoft's commitment to industry standards, saying: "When you are part of a standards organization you don't develop it behind closed doors".


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#107 2004-01-13 2:55 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Why all these questions about differentiations (from the iPod)? Will HP be allowed to make any changes regarding price, features, etc. at their own free will, or are there restrictions?

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#108 2004-01-13 3:07 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Why all these questions about differentiations (from the iPod)? Will HP be allowed to make any changes regarding price, features, etc. at their own free will, or are there restrictions?

Since Apple's the one actually building them, I don't think HP will do anything to them. I'm guessing the two will be identical except cosmetically (one white with an Apple logo and calling itself an iPod, the other blue with an HP logo and calling itself something else, but functionally the same). HP might have slightly different pricing on them than Apple, but I think it'll be comparable, at least.


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#109 2004-01-13 3:21 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Why all these questions about differentiations (from the iPod)? Will HP be allowed to make any changes regarding price, features, etc. at their own free will, or are there restrictions?

Since Apple's the one actually building them, I don't think HP will do anything to them. I'm guessing the two will be identical except cosmetically (one white with an Apple logo and calling itself an iPod, the other blue with an HP logo and calling itself something else, but functionally the same). HP might have slightly different pricing on them than Apple, but I think it'll be comparable, at least.

That's what I was thinking, so why are people considering some of these questions such as whether it will use WMA or not, if Apple has full control over the production?

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#110 2004-01-13 4:02 pm

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I guess it's because they wonder whether the iPod will eventually support the other music download services. Since the copy protection used by those outfits like BuyMusic.com and others that serve stuff in WMA format isn't owned by those companies but from Microsoft, and they and the makers of the hardware players that play those files all license the tech from MS, Apple could presumably just license it from MS as well and make the iPod play WMA files, including protected ones from the other services, as well as its own iTMS files, in addition to stuff people rip themselves or whatever. There's no technical reason the iPod couldn't support everything.

That said, whether it would be a good move strategically is debatable. On the one hand, since the iTMS for Apple is more a means to sell iPods rather than a revenue source in and of itself, it makes sense for Apple to incorporate support in the iPod for as many formats and DRM schemes as possible, since it just makes the iPod that much more attractive. On the other hand, Apple might not want to help foster the spread and influence of WMA in the marketplace, and having an attractive, top-selling device that doesn't support it but supports several competing formats helps prevent WMA from becoming dominant.


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#111 2004-01-13 4:35 pm

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I guess it's because they wonder whether the iPod will eventually support the other music download services. Since the copy protection used by those outfits like BuyMusic.com and others that serve stuff in WMA format isn't owned by those companies but from Microsoft, and they and the makers of the hardware players that play those files all license the tech from MS, Apple could presumably just license it from MS as well and make the iPod play WMA files, including protected ones from the other services, as well as its own iTMS files, in addition to stuff people rip themselves or whatever. There's no technical reason the iPod couldn't support everything.

That said, whether it would be a good move strategically is debatable. On the one hand, since the iTMS for Apple is more a means to sell iPods rather than a revenue source in and of itself, it makes sense for Apple to incorporate support in the iPod for as many formats and DRM schemes as possible, since it just makes the iPod that much more attractive. On the other hand, Apple might not want to help foster the spread and influence of WMA in the marketplace, and having an attractive, top-selling device that doesn't support it but supports several competing formats helps prevent WMA from becoming dominant.

Understood, and good points. I just thought it weird they were questioning only, and specifically, the hPod of change separately from the iPod (or, atleast that's what I understood). No further questions, your honor.

I'm kind of interested in the color myself. I have a feeling those pictures don't do it much justice...  shrug

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#112 2004-12-05 7:45 pm

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Re: HP iPod

I know it's an old thread, but I thought I'd answer it.

The Apple iPod from HP is the iPod (20GB and 40GB) with the HP logo on the back. It is marketed and supported by HP. Apple Stores will not even touch them, as HP is responsible for all service. In addition, HP's service contract is voided the minute the iPod is used on a Mac. That is to say, the iPod from HP will work with a Mac just fine, but it voids your warranty.

Just buy the thing from Apple. No HP logo, and your service contract wasn't written by a monkey.


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#113 2004-12-05 7:49 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Whoa, crap!!! I didn't even know about that confused Man...thats just crazy...the warrenty is voided as soon as its used on a Apple computer?!...geeze...

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#114 2004-12-05 7:55 pm

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Re: HP iPod

This zombie was saved from a vicious and brutal lock-down and extermination due entirely to it's educational merit.

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#115 2004-12-05 8:14 pm

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Re: HP iPod

This zombie was saved from a vicious and brutal lock-down and extermination due entirely to it's educational merit.

And worth it it is!

Buy an Apple iPod with a HP logo on it, attach it to an Apple computer... and void the warrantee? bang  down

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#116 2004-12-05 8:26 pm

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Re: HP iPod

that is slightly retarded

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#117 2004-12-05 8:30 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Well, okay, I can understand it, though.

Think about the contract that's worked out. Apple would probably be losing money if they had to carry out the contracts of iPods that HP is making money off of.

That said, if you hook an HP iPod up to a Mac, HP personnel is not trained and would not be trained to troubleshoot it, because it might be a mixture Apple computer/HP problem, and an HP tech support employee would not be certified to walk an Apple computer/HP iPod owner through a step of the restore process, because then HP is held liable for any mess-ups and, as said, is not able to provide the concise, guaranteed support that Apple does.

It makes sense.

Heck, why'd you want to buy an HP iPod, anyway? Here at RadioShack they're like $20 more than the comparitive Apple model.


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#118 2004-12-05 9:05 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Heck, why'd you want to buy an HP iPod, anyway?

I might have, if they had actually been that "corpse" blue . . .

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#119 2004-12-06 6:22 pm

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Re: HP iPod

Its kinda weird that my local BB has BOTH HP and stright Apple iPods...

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#120 2004-12-06 6:42 pm

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Not considering that they probably don't know the differece.

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#121 2004-12-06 7:58 pm

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Its kinda weird that my local BB has BOTH HP and stright Apple iPods...

No doubt they will phase out the Apple iPods in favor of the HP iPods . . .

Best Buy gets to carry the cash cow iPod without having to "stoop" to dealing with Apple . . .

smurf *shakes Fist at BB . . .

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#122 2004-12-06 8:31 pm

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Re: HP iPod

How would they ever know if you plugged it into a mac at some point?


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#123 2004-12-06 9:20 pm

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OH THEY KNOW!

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#124 2004-12-06 9:33 pm

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Re: HP iPod

It's that look of despair in the iPods used only on PCs . . .



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#125 2004-12-06 10:22 pm

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How would they ever know if you plugged it into a mac at some point?

If you give to them formatted as HFS+ (incompatible with Windows, Mac only) it could be a dead give away if they plug it into a PC, though it can of course be reformatted for Windows.


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