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#26 2004-01-14 4:23 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Guess what, I live in American, and I don't lock my house when I leave.
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#27 2004-01-14 4:36 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
mmm. . . no more disgusting then your stereotypes about grossly overweight unkempt people who don't agree with you. . .
I love hypocrisy. . . it's one of my favorite human shortcomings 'cause it's so darned FUNNY ! ! !
Hypocracy my ass. If you can't see the difference between the massive stereotyping of a nation with a horrendously tasteless cover and one guy throwing fat insults at a lying bastard, you need some serious help.
I loathe Moore. Do I really need to come out and say that? It should be pretty obvious. This cover is just another one of his shameless antics.
I hardly think the DVD cover or the phrase is cause for outrage. The US. is an extremely violent culture. We shoot eachother. Our kids, in growing numbers, shoot eachother. Hell, we'll shoot anyone. Moore's documentary asks why and seeks to explore some of the possibilities.
Sure it's slanted, but if that's what pisses you off then most things must piss you off.
Contrary to CD's strange and fruitless insistance that Michael Moore is not an American because he disagrees with him, I'd say Michael Moore is a good American. Considering that most Americans do little more for their country than whine at family dinners and Internet forums and vote every four years, I'd say, whether I agree with him or not, Michael Moore is a good American.
Moore is an activist, no doubt about it, but being an activist does not a good citizen make. He's a lying, decieving smurf. And yeah, Americans will just shoot anyone.
You want to see a violent culture? Spend some time in Iran, or Pakistan, or just about any other Muslim state.
I've seen BFC, and I thought it was one of the biggest pieces of bullsmurf propaganda I've ever seen. There were so many spins, deceptions and outright lies in that "documentary" that it isn't even remotely funny.
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#28 2004-01-14 4:51 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Guess what, I live in American, and I don't lock my house when I leave.
According to MM that happens in Canada, not America.So the best example you can give is that he didn't consult you before making his documentary on whether or not you follow the door locking procedures set forth in it?
And did Moore actually say Americans all lock their doors? I dunno ...
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#29 2004-01-14 5:22 pm
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mmm. . . no more disgusting then your stereotypes about grossly overweight unkempt people who don't agree with you. . .
I love hypocrisy. . . it's one of my favorite human shortcomings 'cause it's so darned FUNNY ! ! !Hypocracy my ass. If you can't see the difference between the massive stereotyping of a nation with a horrendously tasteless cover and one guy throwing fat insults at a lying bastard, you need some serious help.
I loathe Moore. Do I really need to come out and say that? It should be pretty obvious. This cover is just another one of his shameless antics.
I hardly think the DVD cover or the phrase is cause for outrage. The US. is an extremely violent culture. We shoot eachother. Our kids, in growing numbers, shoot eachother. Hell, we'll shoot anyone. Moore's documentary asks why and seeks to explore some of the possibilities.
Sure it's slanted, but if that's what pisses you off then most things must piss you off.
Contrary to CD's strange and fruitless insistance that Michael Moore is not an American because he disagrees with him, I'd say Michael Moore is a good American. Considering that most Americans do little more for their country than whine at family dinners and Internet forums and vote every four years, I'd say, whether I agree with him or not, Michael Moore is a good American.Moore is an activist, no doubt about it, but being an activist does not a good citizen make. He's a lying, decieving smurf. And yeah, Americans will just shoot anyone.
You want to see a violent culture? Spend some time in Iran, or Pakistan, or just about any other Muslim state.
I've seen BFC, and I thought it was one of the biggest pieces of bullsmurf propaganda I've ever seen. There were so many spins, deceptions and outright lies in that "documentary" that it isn't even remotely funny.
This was already pointed out to you but since is doesn't fit your views you seem to be ignoring it. So let's go over it again and see if you can pick up on this:
The cover artwork of a German distribution of BFC is unlikely to have anything to do with Moore. Neither the design it nor the copy, he likely never saw it or even approved of it. Now unless you have some actual PROOF that he had anything to do with it's creation, I suggest you drop this attack because it's looking like you haven't got the vaguest idea about the production & distribution process of a video and you're looking like a dork here.
Moore directed the film and obviously oversaw it's editing and it's final cut. But beyond that, the promotion, artwork, distribution, rights negotiations with other distributors in other countries or continents and pretty much ANYTHING outside of the making of the film, is usually outside of ANY director's hands. That is the job of promotional and distribution companies, not Moore the director. And when you're talking other language distribution, this is even less likely. However, please feel free to show any sort of documentation that supports your wildass claim he did in fact write and/or create the copy and artwork, which is the sole aim of your opening post's vitriol. It would be interesting to see how he managed to change the standard industry procedures, or more specifically, why he'd bother.
And no, you don't need to repeat that you loathe Moore, your multiple posts on this issue have made this quite clear. We know already, we know. You are to posts about Moore as XYZ is to posts about gays. We get it.
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#30 2004-01-14 5:25 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
I've seen similar statements to CDs--- about Michael Moore being a bad American (or not American at all) and the country being better off without him. My question is why?
I think it's a wonderful thing there's people out there on all sides of politics willing to question our leaders. I don't like Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter-- they barf up spin and blind partisan crap all the time. But do I want them to leave the country? No.
After Moore's Oscar speech, I had friends who said he should have been shot because of what he said. That's un-American to me.
I do agree the cover may seem a little much, but I've seen worse covers at video stores.
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#31 2004-01-14 7:00 pm
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ELB:
Stereotyping is stereotyping - it doesn't matter if it's in the case of calling one person a he man. . . . calling a roomful of Al Sharpton supporters stupid nig. . . or calling an overweight unkempt activist a fat tasteless POS. . . get it?
I didn't think so.
It's not uncommon to have different covers of the same book for different releases. there are probably lots of Germans who see this as illustrative of a part of American culture. . . after all, we do have a society wide gun violence problem. If you don't like the picture than don't buy the book. . . m'kay?
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#32 2004-01-14 7:01 pm
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I've seen similar statements to CDs--- about Michael Moore being a bad American (or not American at all) and the country being better off without him. My question is why?
I think it's a wonderful thing there's people out there on all sides of politics willing to question our leaders. I don't like Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter-- they barf up spin and blind partisan crap all the time. But do I want them to leave the country? No.
Coulter I could see based on treason or terrorism, but the treason thing more so. After reading her arguing for the destruction of the judicial branch of government, it strikes me that she is not a defender of the constitution, but someone advocating the destruction of it. That is treasonous.
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#33 2004-01-14 7:08 pm
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I do not consider Michael Moore, the author or the director, to be a U.S. citizen... he has certainly earned the wrath of every American and his criticism of American culture characterizes him as distinctly un-American and foreign. The next ship leaving this country should have him on it for ports unknown... does not matter. This nation would be much better without him in it.
His opinions and point of view make him a fine example of an American citizen. Why? Because it is not only our right, but our DUTY to question our leaders. If you believe that blind faith in government and squelching free speech, maybe you should catch yourself a boat to N. Korea or China.
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#34 2004-01-14 7:32 pm
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I doubt Moore had anything to do with the cover of the German DVD, just what exactly is your point?
(Edited to add: I don't come around here as often anymore, is this the sort of thing we're supposed to just ignore???)
Seriously. I'm a graphic designer, and I highly doubt Moore had anything to do with that cover. That was probably done by a German designer and it was probably approved of whatever German publisher is distributing that book.
That cover is not indicative of what that movie is about. BFC does not try to satirize the murders and suicides of the Columbine kids. It uses humor to tackle a lot of sociological issues, yet that subject (ie the video tape of the kids killing everyone) was presented incredibly seriously.
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#35 2004-01-14 7:33 pm
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frankly, i enjoy mm's revolting garbage. it's at least as good as the white house's revolting garbage. wedded bliss. indeed.
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#36 2004-01-14 8:08 pm
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Hypocracy my ass. If you can't see the difference between the massive stereotyping of a nation with a horrendously tasteless cover and one guy throwing fat insults at a lying bastard, you need some serious help.
Well, as most of us have stated... that cover was probably the work of a German designer and a German Publisher. I work in graphic design, and I can contest to designing a lot of promotional work for people who are fairly out of touch with the design process. Frankly, it's impossible for musicians, filmmakers, etc to keep track of what all their movie posers, DVD covers, CD covers, book covers, etc. look like. Especially when they are on the other side of the world, have nothing to do with foreign publication, are working on other projects, and have a personal life.
Seriously, look at foreign movie posters for US movies. It's not uncommon for them to be out of touch, or simply really smurfy looking. Trust me... I do this stuff for a living. I don't mean to sound like a cocky bastard, but I do know what I'm talking about.
Moore is an activist, no doubt about it, but being an activist does not a good citizen make. He's a lying, decieving smurf. And yeah, Americans will just shoot anyone.You want to see a violent culture? Spend some time in Iran, or Pakistan, or just about any other Muslim state.
BFC was a sociological analysis that was centered around modern "western" culture. It would've been fairly unnecessary to compare this country to the nations that are significantly more hostile the ours. BFC intended to compare the US to nations that were -less- violent the ours.
Moreover, BFC attempted to present a sociological hypothesis that stated a heightened sense of fear could be the reason that our country acts differently then other similar western nations.
Whether or not you agree with some of Moore's theories or editing techniques, or conclusions, I can't see how one can't view that as a valid hypothesis.
I think the US's relationship with fear is something that could most definitely stand some additional inquires, as well as academic psychological and sociological research.
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#37 2004-01-14 8:13 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Ok, I am confused. And just to make it perfectly clear, I am not being facetious here, I am genuinly confused here. What exactly is offensive? People seem to be using the caption "You haven't yet seen America well!" and saying that its horrible. Why? And the cover, an animated kid with a bullet wound to the head. Certianly untasteful, but gun violence is the topic of the movie, and its certainly not gratuitus or terribly gorey or anything. So could someone please just go though what exactly everyone here is talking about. I am critisizing nothing remember, I am simply curious, I honestly do not know.
I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me.
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#38 2004-01-14 8:32 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Do a search for "Micheal moore" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of Micheal Moore propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.Lets try this again, but with a subtle change:
Do a search for "George bush" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of George Bush propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.
Now... which one is a sometimes funny kook and which one is POTUS? And which one is more dangerous in his lies and deceit?
What the hell does Bush have to do with this thread? I want to say some profanity but I'll restrain. I'm not a big Bush supporter, but people in these forums go a little too far.
Also, ShnickyShnack, are you calling right-wingers not normal? Shows your maturity! 
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#39 2004-01-14 8:45 pm
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He's been "proven" a liar by right wing nutbars who hate him worse than poison ... but has he been proven a liar by any normal people?
LOL! Normal as in left wingers?
Facts are facts. No matter WHO says them.
You can't make up MM taking things out of context when he did.
Or ignore the obvious distortions.
Guess what, I live in American, and I don't lock my house when I leave.
According to MM that happens in Canada, not America.
I was just wondering, if MM really was making up outragious lies, why didn't someone sue him, and win? I know lots of people have sued him, but the fact that his material stands up in court has to prove something.
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#40 2004-01-14 8:49 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Do a search for "Micheal moore" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of Micheal Moore propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.Lets try this again, but with a subtle change:
Do a search for "George bush" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of George Bush propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.
Now... which one is a sometimes funny kook and which one is POTUS? And which one is more dangerous in his lies and deceit?What the hell does Bush have to do with this thread? I want to say some profanity but I'll restrain. I'm not a big Bush supporter, but people in these forums go a little too far.
Also, ShnickyShnack, are you calling right-wingers not normal? Shows your maturity!
You're really not getting it.
The point is, the Internet is full of online freaks calling other people liars. If that's the basis for deciding whether or not a person's honest, then we're pretty much smurfed. Seems pretty straightforward.
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#41 2004-01-14 10:02 pm
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When we hate, we hate something that is a part of us. What isn't apart of us, doesn't concern us.
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#42 2004-01-14 10:07 pm
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Sorry, you're WAYYY too late with that one. That was all trashed about a year ago when Jaybird (R.I.P.) tried to pass it off as "logical".
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#43 2004-01-14 10:44 pm
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Damn SS.
How can I troll for whacko right wingers if you go explaining it all! Bad Schnicky! BAAAAAD!

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#44 2004-01-14 11:44 pm
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...and watch out for the flying meat!
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#45 2004-01-15 7:58 am
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"]Ok, I am confused. And just to make it perfectly clear, I am not being facetious here, I am genuinly confused here. What exactly is offensive? People seem to be using the caption "You haven't yet seen America well!" and saying that its horrible. Why? And the cover, an animated kid with a bullet wound to the head. Certianly untasteful, but gun violence is the topic of the movie, and its certainly not gratuitus or terribly gorey or anything. So could someone please just go though what exactly everyone here is talking about. I am critisizing nothing remember, I am simply curious, I honestly do not know.
Because it's a knee jerk reaction.
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#46 2004-01-15 2:39 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
Do a search for "Micheal moore" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of Micheal Moore propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.Lets try this again, but with a subtle change:
Do a search for "George bush" and "liar"
You'll find plenty of George Bush propaganda debunking.
There was times he out right lied. And times he twisted things and took them out of context.
He is not a honest man.
Now... which one is a sometimes funny kook and which one is POTUS? And which one is more dangerous in his lies and deceit?What the hell does Bush have to do with this thread? I want to say some profanity but I'll restrain. I'm not a big Bush supporter, but people in these forums go a little too far.
Also, ShnickyShnack, are you calling right-wingers not normal? Shows your maturity!You're really not getting it.
The point is, the Internet is full of online freaks calling other people liars. If that's the basis for deciding whether or not a person's honest, then we're pretty much smurfed. Seems pretty straightforward.
By the way, feel free to swear your ass off.
So, people are lying about Bush?? And where would you be getting your information about Bush from? From the interenet? Oh man, we are screwed!
That didn't answer my question about right-wingers not being normal? Can you elaborate on that. I'm just curious.
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#47 2004-01-15 2:51 pm
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mmm. . . no more disgusting then your stereotypes about grossly overweight unkempt people who don't agree with you. . .
I love hypocrisy. . . it's one of my favorite human shortcomings 'cause it's so darned FUNNY ! ! !Hypocracy my ass. If you can't see the difference between the massive stereotyping of a nation with a horrendously tasteless cover and one guy throwing fat insults at a lying bastard, you need some serious help.
I loathe Moore. Do I really need to come out and say that? It should be pretty obvious. This cover is just another one of his shameless antics.
I hardly think the DVD cover or the phrase is cause for outrage. The US. is an extremely violent culture. We shoot eachother. Our kids, in growing numbers, shoot eachother. Hell, we'll shoot anyone. Moore's documentary asks why and seeks to explore some of the possibilities.
Sure it's slanted, but if that's what pisses you off then most things must piss you off.
Contrary to CD's strange and fruitless insistance that Michael Moore is not an American because he disagrees with him, I'd say Michael Moore is a good American. Considering that most Americans do little more for their country than whine at family dinners and Internet forums and vote every four years, I'd say, whether I agree with him or not, Michael Moore is a good American.Moore is an activist, no doubt about it, but being an activist does not a good citizen make. He's a lying, decieving smurf. And yeah, Americans will just shoot anyone.
You want to see a violent culture? Spend some time in Iran, or Pakistan, or just about any other Muslim state.
I've seen BFC, and I thought it was one of the biggest pieces of bullsmurf propaganda I've ever seen. There were so many spins, deceptions and outright lies in that "documentary" that it isn't even remotely funny.
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#48 2004-01-15 3:10 pm
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So, people are lying about Bush?? And where would you be getting your information about Bush from? From the interenet? Oh man, we are screwed!
You know you can critically examine the sources you find online.
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#49 2004-01-15 3:38 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
"]Ok, I am confused. And just to make it perfectly clear, I am not being facetious here, I am genuinly confused here. What exactly is offensive? People seem to be using the caption "You haven't yet seen America well!" and saying that its horrible. Why? And the cover, an animated kid with a bullet wound to the head. Certianly untasteful, but gun violence is the topic of the movie, and its certainly not gratuitus or terribly gorey or anything. So could someone please just go though what exactly everyone here is talking about. I am critisizing nothing remember, I am simply curious, I honestly do not know.
Because it's a knee jerk reaction.
But... reaction to what? A lot of people here hate MM, thats for sure, so that explains why they make threads like this, but over the cover of a movie? I really dont get it.
I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me.
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#50 2004-01-15 10:59 pm
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Re: More revolting garbage from Michael Moore...
ELB:
Stereotyping is stereotyping - it doesn't matter if it's in the case of calling one person a he man. . . . calling a roomful of Al Sharpton supporters stupid nig. . . or calling an overweight unkempt activist a fat tasteless POS. . . get it?
I didn't think so.
It's not uncommon to have different covers of the same book for different releases. there are probably lots of Germans who see this as illustrative of a part of American culture. . . after all, we do have a society wide gun violence problem. If you don't like the picture than don't buy the book. . . m'kay?
Maybe you need anger management therapy.
Isaly, perhaps you're not down with the definition of stereotyping. Here's Webster's definition:
Something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment
Note the word GROUP, as in several or more people, usually a large number of them. Stereotyping works with Al Sharpton because I'd be GENERALIZING A GROUP OF PEOPLE. Insulting a single man is NOT STEREOTYPING. Get it through your head. If I were saying that all fat people are lying bastards, then you'd have a point. According to your warped logic, insulting anyone could be considered stereotyping.
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