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Useing shelter experience as a metric to judge dogs is like working at a prison and saying that makes you an expert on human nature.

What a load.  Are you implying that the only dogs that come to shelters are bad? Shelters aren't just for bad dogs.  They are for all dogs.  Something apparently you don't understand. Thousands of animals come through shelters annually.  My own experience has shown that pits are FAR more likely to need to be put down.  Those that weren't were NEVER given to families with children or other dogs.  Ever.

A friend of mine has a pit mix.  This dog, as a result if it's high, natural instincts to dominate, decided that an older  dog in the houswhold needed to die.  so, while she was away, the pit killed the other dog.

yeah, that happens with some other breeds.  Maybe.  I doubt it.  I've never heard of that happening with domestic pets (not counting fish).  I didn't know what breed the dog was at first, but I speculated that it was a pit, or pit mix.  I was correct.

Most shelters have the ability to put down any dog that has demonstrated itself to be a real threat. Those that don't, such as non-kill shelters, still have arrangements with other facilities. Your analogy sucks.

Your broad ignorant statements make quite clear that you dont know what you are talking about.

Specify them.  Your broad accusation of my "ignorant statements" isn't valid.  You either address them or shove your comment.

AmStaffs are much maligned on the basis of the rare exception

"rare"? You aren't paying attention.  it's pointless to debate with you as you refuse to acknowledge any possibilities that don't agree with your own narrow mindset.

and not only are they good dogs but have an extrodinary intelegence and faithfullness to their people.

I know they're intelligent.  I know they're faithful. I also know they are violent and unpredictable.

OG, I could go on but your whole Trollish attitude from the start makes it clear to me that you are here to enflame and not discuss and are just another cowering coward who enjoys tossing out insults from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Oh, that's rich.  Pot. Kettle. Black. Trollish?  You post some ignorant video here that clearly agrees with your own blinding ignorance, and use it to bolster your own weak position. What the smurf did you think the responses would be?  "Oh, you're RIGHT!! Those poor, widdle animals!! How could ANYone think a Pit Bull was violent?  OMIGOD!!! Pwecious widdle things!" I guess you figured it would bring is rushing en masse to your side, raising an outcry of righteous indignation. Idiot.

Try this search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … gle+Search

One interesting report that I noted just from a brief scan of the first page was a pit bull attacking a smurfing police horse.  I know the dog didn't know it was a police horse, but it attacked an animal that outweighed it by over probably 1500 pounds. For absolutely no apparent reason.

That's in amongst the other stories of children being attacked.

So, this is a breed that's "much maligned".

You think it's some giant conspiracy that so many places are banning or trying to ban pit bulls?

Pull your head out of your ass, wipe the smurf from your eyes, and take a good look around.

OG, you are an angery, smurfed up person.

Probably.  Certainly not any more so than you.  I'm certainly not more smurfed up than you. But I won't bring up other issues about you that aren't relevant to this particular debate.

Uh, I think the American Pit-Bull terrier is now a fully recognized breed there bud. At least in the AKC (US). And there is a pretty important difference between the other pit-bull type dogs...namely size.

The American Pit-Bull terrier is not recognised by the AKC. I believe they are under consideration.
The fact remains that the term Pit Bull is generally used to discribe a range of compact, muscular dogs.

Never leave any dog alone with a child.

Yup! I don't know what the smurf people who do that are thinking!!!

You have to know your dog and his personality extremely well (years) as well as his breed. Just one example: A stranger could and has reached down into our dogs dish while he was eating. He didn't growl or do anything, in fact, he has never growled at anyone or showed anything besides total affection.

Useing shelter experience as a metric to judge dogs is like working at a prison and saying that makes you an expert on human nature.

What a load.  Are you implying that the only dogs that come to shelters are bad? Shelters aren't just for bad dogs.  They are for all dogs.  Something apparently you don't understand. Thousands of animals come through shelters annually.  My own experience has shown that pits are FAR more likely to need to be put down.  Those that weren't were NEVER given to families with children or other dogs.  Ever.

A friend of mine has a pit mix.  This dog, as a result if it's high, natural instincts to dominate, decided that an older  dog in the houswhold needed to die.  so, while she was away, the pit killed the other dog.

yeah, that happens with some other breeds.  Maybe.  I doubt it.  I've never heard of that happening with domestic pets (not counting fish).  I didn't know what breed the dog was at first, but I speculated that it was a pit, or pit mix.  I was correct.

Most shelters have the ability to put down any dog that has demonstrated itself to be a real threat. Those that don't, such as non-kill shelters, still have arrangements with other facilities. Your analogy sucks.

Your broad ignorant statements make quite clear that you dont know what you are talking about.

Specify them.  Your broad accusation of my "ignorant statements" isn't valid.  You either address them or shove your comment.

AmStaffs are much maligned on the basis of the rare exception

"rare"? You aren't paying attention.  it's pointless to debate with you as you refuse to acknowledge any possibilities that don't agree with your own narrow mindset.

and not only are they good dogs but have an extrodinary intelegence and faithfullness to their people.

I know they're intelligent.  I know they're faithful. I also know they are violent and unpredictable.

OG, I could go on but your whole Trollish attitude from the start makes it clear to me that you are here to enflame and not discuss and are just another cowering coward who enjoys tossing out insults from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Oh, that's rich.  Pot. Kettle. Black. Trollish?  You post some ignorant video here that clearly agrees with your own blinding ignorance, and use it to bolster your own weak position. What the smurf did you think the responses would be?  "Oh, you're RIGHT!! Those poor, widdle animals!! How could ANYone think a Pit Bull was violent?  OMIGOD!!! Pwecious widdle things!" I guess you figured it would bring is rushing en masse to your side, raising an outcry of righteous indignation. Idiot.

Try this search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … gle+Search

One interesting report that I noted just from a brief scan of the first page was a pit bull attacking a smurfing police horse.  I know the dog didn't know it was a police horse, but it attacked an animal that outweighed it by over probably 1500 pounds. For absolutely no apparent reason.

That's in amongst the other stories of children being attacked.

So, this is a breed that's "much maligned".

You think it's some giant conspiracy that so many places are banning or trying to ban pit bulls?

Pull your head out of your ass, wipe the smurf from your eyes, and take a good look around.

OG, you are an angery, smurfed up person.

Probably.  Certainly not any more so than you.  I'm certainly not more smurfed up than you. But I won't bring up other issues about you that aren't relevant to this particular debate.

Going by the numbers from that CDC report fatal dog attacks in general are exceedingly rare events when you consider the population of the USA is over 250 million people. 60 events of anything in a population that llarge is a rare event.
We use the expresion "struck by lighting" as a metiphor for exceeding rare and surprising happenings and over 100 people a year in the USA are killed by lighting. So saying dog fatalities are a rare event seems reasonible.

Your rediculous contention that with any "pit bull" that its just a matter of time is just plain stupid. By any rational standard, even the most pesimistic interpritation of the facts proves that its a microscopically small number of problem dogs out of a population of a couple of hundred thousand that attack.
The way you talk about it, given the huge popularity of Pit Bull type dogs our cities would be charnel houses of slaughter with the dead lineing the curbs and blood flooding the gutters.
Your hystrionics really strip the credibility from your position.

"Like people, some elephants are just jerks. Stop that, Mr. Simpson."

Any dog is capable of violence.

Not this guy, no way.

You know, it's fun to just kick back and watch all y'all go at it over this again.

Yeah, it's funny how this happens every single time Pariah brings up this subject. Kind of like that other subject.

Heres my dog:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/ … eDeogi.jpg

That was taken Christmas morning.

Aaawwwwww. You should post the pic over here.

Going by the numbers from that CDC report fatal dog attacks in general are exceedingly rare events when you consider the population of the USA is over 250 million people. 60 events of anything in a population that llarge is a rare event.

who said this was limited to fatal attacks? why the smurf can't you pay attention to the points that are being made insetad of flying off on some weird tangent?

saying dog fatalities are a rare event seems reasonible.

it is reasonable. What's not reasonable is saying that pit bulls are no more likely to attack than other breeds.  That's not only unreasonable, it's plain stupid.

Your rediculous contention that with any "pit bull" that its just a matter of time is just plain stupid.

I actually never said that.  What I did say is that I would bet on a pit being the one to attack, out of a field of dogs.

By any rational standard, even the most pesimistic interpritation of the facts proves that its a microscopically small number of problem dogs out of a population of a couple of hundred thousand that attack.

you're ignoring the fact that thye percentage of pit bulls that attack, even based on their population, is greater than that of any other breed.

But I suppose it suits your argument better to ignore anything that might threaten your position.

The way you talk about it, given the huge popularity of Pit Bull type dogs our cities would be charnel houses of slaughter with the dead lineing the curbs and blood flooding the gutters.

Your hystrionics really strip the credibility from your position.

What was that about histrionics? My smurfing gawd, talk about over-exaggerating something.  You accuse me of histrionics after using that sort of visual? Gimme a break.

I NEVER even implied that sort of thing, and you smurfing know it.  Should you be on some medication or something? Perhaps some intense psychiatric counseling in a cracker factory would do you some good.

OG, from the very first line in your first post to this thread you immedietly went straight to calling me an insulting name, followed up by a frothing at the mouth factless screed based only on your anicdotes from your little corner of the world.
Your tone and tenor through out this thread has been pretty over the top angery, aggresive and pretty crazy.
Styr disagreed reasonible and got a reasonible responce in return.
You on the other hand are just dressed as flamebait, so dont be surprised to be treated that way.
Its just funny for you to ask me to be reasonible when you came out with both barrels blazeing and your brain spinning wildely in nuetral.

Og, do you REALLY need to beahave the way you are? Name calling is great...in elementary school and all, but I think we're a bit past that, no? I do sometimes wonder though.

followed up by a frothing at the mouth factless screed based only on your anicdotes from your little corner of the world.

Show me evidence that proves my "anicdotes" to be factless. Go ahead.

I'm just wondering what plastering has to do with this at all.

While that is a disturbing flash- I'm glad you posted it. I have neighbors, within a block that have 5, count em 5 pitbulls. The pin one of them is in, is smashed from one of them trying to get out. The other 4 are chained (HEAVILY) to trees. I've never seen such heavy chains on  these poor beasts. I've never seen them walked, or ever played with. There is a bag of food on the deck above, which apparently gets dumped _close to_ their bowls at some point during the day. I've called the humane society and police, and complained about their humans, but to no avail.

What a shame. My dog has a door, which he uses, toys (oh come on, everyone wants a happy dog!) fed regularly, fresh water, vet visits and walks daily to the park and/or a ride in the car. I hope he thinks his humans are decent.

I talked with one of the people residing the the house in question once, during which I realized "Them some badass dogs man!" about summed it up- his words.

   

Those dogs are being abused and your nieghbor is a jackass.
Neglecting dogs like that is the perfeect way to make them dangerous.

Oh OG, The burden is on you to prove your assertions true. Anectdotes alone dont provide any sort of proof.
One of the most viscious dogs I have ever had the misfortune of being around was a Welsh Corgi, but I would never trot out that little story as evedence that Corgi's are evil.
OG, your an ignorant blow hard who cant back up his claims with any sort of evedence beyound personal impressions that may or may not be completely made up for the sake of trolling.
OH, ya-Extra points for the old "make fun of the opponants spelling" gambit, pulling that out is as good as admiting you have run out of real arguement but will settle for just hurling insults.
What a loser.

When I was a kid my grandfather got a pit bull from a "guy he knew."
The dog had attacked a little girl and was to be put down or sent out of city limits, my grandfather lived outside of the city limits and took him.  The dog promptly killed every cat that lived anywhere near, attacked one of his other dogs and eventually attacked another kid after he got free from the house. 

I knew of three other pit attacks in my life, and one chow.  I live in the South where unfortunately we have a lot of people who think owning a vicious dog is cool.  They train pits for dog fights here and it's pretty popular.  I can't relate what I think of the soulless ghouls who watch this abuse and cheer.  I work with kids and talk to them about their pets all the time.   If they mention their dad, brother or cousin raises dogs for fighting I anonymously rat them out to the police.

Unfortunately I'm sure more than a few of the redneck police force here either goes to watch them themselves or have a relative who goes.