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My sister has 2 black labs and I could not imagine them hurting the kids ever.  As far as dogs go, my sister's labs are probably the coolest, most laid back dogs I've ever seen.  But they are pretty big and could easily take someone down. The dogs both have their own carriers (with locking doors) where they sleep at night, but they have a rather large yard for them to run around.

In my opinion, pit bulls are naturally more apt to attack someone, but a lot can be accomplished just by not being an smurf as a owner.

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OH, ya-Extra points for the old "make fun of the opponants spelling" gambit, pulling that out is as good as admiting you have run out of real arguement but will settle for just hurling insults.
What a loser.

I think it's fair to point out spelling mistakes once they become so egregious that it's painful to read. Your posts qualify.

Im actually not a bad speller, Im a lousy typer and there is a difference.

I have just noticed in The Rant Room and Mini Think that when someone decides to inject spelling or grammar into an argument that it pretty much always signal they have run out of intellectual fuel and are simply switching tactics to maintain their contrary position.
"I cant refute your argument but....YOU SUCK AT SPELLING.....so there!!"

No, it's more of "I already refuted your argument, now I'm going to pick apart the posts themselves."

And yet, I can't stop looking.  It's like crack.  Or a trainwreck.

No, it's more of "I already refuted your argument, now I'm going to pick apart the posts themselves."

And yet, I can't stop looking.  It's like crack.  Or a trainwreck.

What could be more entertaining than watching two extremely irritable, angry people who hate being contradicted argue?

I just don't know.  That bear things comes in at a close second though.

*goes to pop more popcorn*

Sorry, foilks, but I'm done with this one.  geese summed it up nicely:

No, it's more of "I already refuted your argument, now I'm going to pick apart the posts themselves."

But thanks for tuning in. See you next time!

I'm not saying that all pits are angels. But these two were an exception to the image of pits. Those dogs couldn't hurt a fly. Just big babies.

No breed of dogs is reputed to attack flies. The problem with pit bulls is exactly what you're pointing out: those pits could hurt "just big babies."  Small babies too, no doubt. Why would anyone want a breed that hurts any kind of baby, small or big?

If you're a dog owner and you wonder why nobody visits you, it could be your dog
PS: The rottweiler across the street almost killed my 12 year old angel of a ten-pound poodle. Stupid owner. I don't despise any breed; just the owners of pit bulls and rottweilers.

Mine shows none of the sort of aggresion people attribute to Pits.
She plays well with other dogs, she used to lick our cat like it was a kitten, she has made freinds with the next door nieghbors german shepard and thier cat.
When people come to visit my home their comments are always about what a nice, freindly dog she is.
Its all about training and socialisation.

Don't you realize that what you just posted is almost exactly what every owner says when they're interviewed after their dog has attacked someone?

A dog can go years without a problem, and then for some reason, something sets them off. The owners all say their dog never showed viscious tendencies and that they'd trust their dog alone with their kids.

A friend of mine works in a hospital. A young girl was brought in. She knew the kid from her kids school. Her, her brother and their mother lived with her grandmother, whom owned a pit. The dog had been in the family a while and had never bitten anyone. One day when the grandmother and 2 kids were taking it for a walk, for some unexplainable reason, the dog attacked the 5 year old girl. She did nothing to provoke the attack. She was literally torn apart in front of her brother and gramndmother. She was still alive when she got to the hospital, but died 4 hours later.

Another friend had a Chow that she'd raised from birth. Was the most loveable dog you'd ever see. On Thanksgiving, several years ago, her 2 year old niece walked past the dog, in front of many family members, and just grabbed the kid at the waist. The dog didn't want to let go, so they had to hit it in the head to get it to release the girl. The girl wasn't seriously hurt, but received stitches.

My friend called animal control, which is normal protocol here when a dog bites. They came out to check paperwork on the dog to make sure it was current and to file a police report, and told her the likelihood he'd do it again now that he's done it once, is great, and they weren't surprised that it was a loving family pet until that point. She signed papers to have the dog destroyed.

People just don't get it. Yes, there are good pits and bad ones. Good chows and bad ones. However, it seems like a crap shoot. You never know which one is going to attack, and when.

And people do love to be fearfull, isent it interesting that OG's tales of horror are accepted as gospel while my testimony about my dogs good charector is dismissed.

I thought I would be done with this.  Oh, how wrong.

Listen carefully: Pit Bulls are UNPREDICTABLE.  Moreso than ANY other breed.  What part if this don't you understand?

Pits will stand there and lookat someone, ears up, tail up and wagging.  This is a sign of what?  Friendliness.  At least in almost any other breed.  In EVERY other breed AFAIK.

But in a Pit, that doesn't mean a damn thing.  There are many reports of Pits displaying this widely-accepted friendliness and then attacking all-out.

Did you not see my post where I noted my Sheltie snapped at my kid? She was out the door that day.  Had she bitten him, I'd have had her put down. But I guaran-damn-tee ya she was far safer than a Pit.

which part of THAT did you not understand?

YES, THere are many dog attacks in this country.  Care to look up how many are attributed to Pits, Chows and Rotts? Percentage-wise, those three top the charts, and Pits are above the other two.  There is a HIGHER occurrence of attacks by those three breeds than ANY OTHER. And Rotts are widely accepted to be wonderful family pets, great with kids, etc, blahblahblah. Saint Bernards have been know to suddenly turn on someone.

What part of THAT don't you understand?

My Sheltie (a SHELTIE, fer chrissakes, weighed maybe 12 pounds) NEVER displayed aggressive tendencies.  "She never acted like that before!" But as someone with wide experience with that breed, I knew they can be a bit skittish around small children. We NEVER left our son and those dogs alone.

Pixel, the bitch that tried to bite him, was your average loving, intelligent, obedient Sheltie. But I didn't trust her.  Tycho, larger, older, was even better, possibly the second-best dog I'd ever had, rest his little doggie soul, and I would absolutely have trusted him with my kid, but I still would NOT leave them alone together. side note: see them here

Also, I am NOT the only one with "Tales of Horror". What part of THAT do you not understand?

do you realize that certain breeds are carfeully bred for specific traits to enhance those abilities?  Labs for hunting.  Shelties for herding. Dachshunds for hunting. Bloodhounds for tracking, and so on. Pits for violent aggressiveness and for the fact that they DO NOT LET GO when they attack. Their jaws don't lock, but how many other breeds need a tool to pry a dog's jaws apart when it's clamped down?  NONE. Only the Pit.

People in general do not, will not, trust Pits.  Period.  Ever.  There has been too much breeding for their fighting abilities than any other trait.

What part of THAT don't you understand?

I understand you think you are some sort of expert.

I know real dog breeders and experts who would catigorically disagree with practically eveything you say.

Pit bull breeders, specifically? 

I understand you think you are some sort of expert.

and you are... what?  enlighten us all.

My stepfather was a large and small animal vet having lived on the farm with him and helping out in the office for twenty years. I've learned that there really isn't any bad animals out there, just bad/stupid/misguided owners/people. Face it folks we forget that animals are just that, animals. We can do our best to breed and train them but in the end, there are still thousands of years of evolution to deal with.

For instance the Stupid Dog thread posted yesterday. Stupid dog!?! WTF!?! More like stupid owner to have put the dog in a position to get tore up like that.

For the flash show.
What kind of response do you want? Sure, I have empathy for those animals but I

OMFG. what kinda loon... nevermind... Paraiah will come in here preaching about his pet gators and how perfectly tame they are and he lets them babysit his little nieces and nephews.

It's a true story. Before the City had an animal control department, much of it was contracted out to my step dad. One day he got a call from the police. They had to forcefully evict some non-paying renters from a house. Well they ran into a problem, four very live alligators being raised in the basement. Thank goodness the largest was only a couple feet long, but still mean as hell.

Ah, animal stories. I've got a ton of them. The guy who hit one of our horses with his motorcycle. The four puppies that were the only survivors from a four car pile up on the highway. A horse that had fallen through and got stuck on a RR bridge and the draft horse kick that almost ended my step dad's career.

When I worked in a prison the inmates would often say they wouldn't rob a house with a little dog in it. The big ones (dogs, not prisoners, but come to think of it ...) were usually very docile. Many of the prisoners (the nastiest ones, usually the rapists/ white slavers -- which was actually the name of their federal crime, white slavery, even if the "slaves" were brown or other) tended to consider pit bulls great pets, just as Pariah does. I've never met a pit bull owner I liked. There's always something very sick about them. ALWAYS. And they don't know it. They are always bullies.

BTW, anyone who wants to adopt a pit bull can come to the humane society where I live: The only animals there that are up for adoption are pits. Everybody else gets adopted right away.

One thing pits do have going for them, however, is that they are invariably smarter than their owners.