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#1 2005-01-14 3:55 pm
#3 2005-01-14 10:17 pm
- knobtwirler
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
That link's information seems frighteningly too revealing. In other words, wouldn't Apple frown upon someone saying that there will without a doubt be G5 notebooks, unless Apple says it first?
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#4 2005-01-14 10:37 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
That link's information seems frighteningly too revealing. In other words, wouldn't Apple frown upon someone saying that there will without a doubt be G5 notebooks, unless Apple says it first?
They frowned upon Thinksecret talking about a $500 headless iMac. Now me have the Mac mini. Apple only sues people who are right, and it usually takes them a week or three to do the paperwork. Appleturns usually notices within a week after that, too.
A G5 notebook will probably require another round of CPU shrinkage or something from IBM. The G5s in the Tower are 90 nm and they're water cooled, for crying out loud! A G5 Powerbook will be a complete redesign, and that'll take time; design, prototyping, securing manufacturing partners, etc. Also, PCI-E is the standard for the pro GPUs released in the last quarter of '04, so if Apple is going to be releasing a brand new platform in six months, it would behoove them to adopt that for their graphics format... which entails a new interface chipset between the CPU and the rest of the machine, which Apple would either have to design themselves or IBM would have to do for them... which is a mess...
To ship the Laptop they want to ship, they're going to have to do a lot of work... it'll take time, so don't hold your breath.
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#5 2005-01-15 12:54 am
Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
This looks wrong:
...Asustek will also start shipping iBook G5 notebooks...
If the iBook is going to have a G5 what will they be putting in the Powerbook ? G6 ? This bit is interesting:
...expected to ship at least 100,000 Mac mini computers per month...
More than a million miniMacs a year.
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#6 2005-01-15 11:28 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
To ship the Laptop they want to ship, they're going to have to do a lot of work... it'll take time, so don't hold your breath.
See, the thing is that Apple's already had plenty of time to work on the PowerBook G5. Since the time of the PowerMac G5's release until now, that's near two years, time which I'm sure they would have used for a division in Apple to work through the problem.
Rather than being suprised by its release, I'm suprised by the projected time it will be released. I had previously read that it will be released in the second half of the year, but this is music to my ears. I will be getting a PowerBook in August for college, so the timing would be icing on the cake. 
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#7 2005-01-15 3:01 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
This looks wrong:
...Asustek will also start shipping iBook G5 notebooks...
If the iBook is going to have a G5 what will they be putting in the Powerbook ? G6 ? This bit is interesting:
...expected to ship at least 100,000 Mac mini computers per month...
More than a million miniMacs a year.
It doesn't look wrong, it just says that Apple has made a decision to lose G4 CPUs in all its laptops (finally). As for the G6 powerbook, hold your horses. The link says that G5 Powerbooks will be shipping in Q2. If the iMac lives with a G5, the iBook should too. Right now the G5 defines Apple. To continue with a G4 is ludicrous at this point.
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#8 2005-01-15 3:58 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
The G4 is still evolving. Don't count it out just yet. I'd bet on dual-core G4 PBs before we see a G5 PowerBook maybe at the high end of the pro line. Why is everyone obsessed with the G5? Can you say hype? The best bits of the G5 are the 64 bit processing, and the redesigned system archetecture.
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#9 2005-01-15 6:11 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
This bit is interesting:
...expected to ship at least 100,000 Mac mini computers per month...
More than a million miniMacs a year.
Apple Q1 Results
They shipped 1,046,000 Macintosh units in ONE quarter. Sure, this includes all the computers in the Macintosh line, but aren't there four quarters in one year?
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#11 2005-01-15 10:56 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
This is interesting, I wonder when it will be pulled down.
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#12 2005-01-16 2:05 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
I has some logic to it...
first make available an inexpensive Mac that Windows PC users will find attractive and buy it, and maybe helps Apple to get rid of G4 processor stocks... then a tad later make available the rest of the computers (which include iBooks and Powerbooks and maybe even the eMac) with the "ultra fast" and more desirable G5 processor.
It puts that little worm in you of not having the better computer. You feel like Kyle when he didn't have the latest toys of the Chinpokomon fad... so you watch the rest of the line being G5 while your mini is still a "little" G4... then you wanna spend again money with them cause you already like their OS and apps.
They sure know how to mess with people's brains... not that it's a bad thing
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#13 2005-01-17 2:13 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
So, the G5 is just hype? The G4 can do the job just fine, but can't be clocked as high as the present G5s? If you would compare a new Powerbook that is about to be released with a G4 to an iMac G5, what would the specs be that make it competitive?
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#14 2005-01-17 3:15 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
There is nothing wrong with the G4 chip per se (My PB has one so obviously I am not obsessed with the G5). That said, I would like to see the G5 in a Powerbook since eventually over time, the G4 chip will get less support and software will be released that will require the use of a G5 in order to run the software.
This is the nature of technology that changes occur very rapidly. Granted I have most of the software that I need right now on my machine so getting a G5 while it would be fun to have is not a priority.
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#15 2005-01-17 3:40 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
So, the G5 is just hype? The G4 can do the job just fine, but can't be clocked as high as the present G5s? If you would compare a new Powerbook that is about to be released with a G4 to an iMac G5, what would the specs be that make it competitive?
Not so much hype... The G5 has a much better memory interface, so it runs RAM at speeds that keep the chip fed nicely. At its best it can run the data bus at half the processor speed. The G4 still can't really use DDR RAM (it only runs it as single access per clock cycle, rather than the double access the RAM can do).
The G5 clocks higher, has a better memory interface, can run 64-bit code and is apparently more efficient with power.
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#16 2005-01-18 6:28 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Whoah, a G4 can't use DDR RAM? Now that is a disappointment. Equally on my priority list would be system bus speed. I'm very impressed with the iMac G5 600MHz bus speed. What are the current PB specs for max RAM, bus speed, and anything else vital to performance that could be expected to be improved with a new release?
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#17 2005-01-18 1:55 pm
Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
The faster laptops get G5's, the faster the MiniMac's get them.
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#18 2005-01-18 3:32 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Now, if that would happen, I'd buy one of those pancakes in addition to a Powermac or PB.
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#19 2005-01-18 3:58 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
This looks wrong:
...Asustek will also start shipping iBook G5 notebooks...
If the iBook is going to have a G5 what will they be putting in the Powerbook ? G6 ? This bit is interesting:
...expected to ship at least 100,000 Mac mini computers per month...
More than a million miniMacs a year.
I'm w/ you Soda. I don't think this looks right. Why would they put G5's into iBooks straight away? I think you will see a G5 PowerBook and then in another couple of quarters maybe an iBook G5. They always use trickle down when they update machines. I just have a hard time believing that Apple would put G5's into all notebooks at the same time.
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#20 2005-01-18 4:02 pm
Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Whoah, a G4 can't use DDR RAM? Now that is a disappointment. Equally on my priority list would be system bus speed. I'm very impressed with the iMac G5 600MHz bus speed. What are the current PB specs for max RAM, bus speed, and anything else vital to performance that could be expected to be improved with a new release?
Thats quoting out of context. He said they can't really use teh full potential of DDR (but that mean double data rate, it has more bandwidth so why can't the G4 handle it?). Why is Apple shipping with DDR in all there systems? Think a little next time please
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#21 2005-01-19 1:06 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Word, that's what I be thinkin. Homey's gotta put his sentences into context.
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#22 2005-01-19 2:05 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
uhhhh.... huh.
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#23 2005-01-22 12:23 pm
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
I seriously doubt the iBook G5 would come out with the Powerbook G5 if it does come out.
All these rumors are great, but once one comes out, I'd definitely be worried about whether or not the cooling issues are fully resolved.
Think about the 15" battery and imagine if that was the processor, or even most of the computer. That's why I believe that this time Apple is putting into this is worthwhile.
I'd rather have a functioning computer than a time bomb on my lap.
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#24 2005-01-23 10:40 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Exactly. I would prefer that they take their time and make sure that it works well. I too prefer a machine that works well with the G5 and not have another potential issue like the PB 5300.
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#25 2005-01-24 1:31 am
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Re: Powerbook G5 in Q2?
Digital wrote:
Whoah, a G4 can't use DDR RAM? Now that is a disappointment. Equally on my priority list would be system bus speed. I'm very impressed with the iMac G5 600MHz bus speed. What are the current PB specs for max RAM, bus speed, and anything else vital to performance that could be expected to be improved with a new release?
Thats quoting out of context. He said they can't really use teh full potential of DDR (but that mean double data rate, it has more bandwidth so why can't the G4 handle it?). Why is Apple shipping with DDR in all there systems? Think a little next time please
The G4 chips can't actually make use of DDR Ram, and instead run it as single-cycle RAM. The memory bus is effectively crippled as far as DDR implementations go, although any DMA to the bus (such as to/from AGP or hard drives) runs at full speed.
The memory interface on the G4 can't handle anything but single-cycle RAM, so that DDR333 RAM is actually running at 167MHz with no second cycle.
If there was a way to get the G4's memory interface to run DDR RAM properly, then that alone would give the chip a massive performance boost. Sadly Motorola never implemented it.
The G5 has a great memory interface, and prefers to run RAM at half the processor speed (we don't have that sort of RAM yet, so we have to make do with 'slow' PC3200 RAM).
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