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The problem with the idea of locking psychos up before they commit a crime is that they actually should go to a mental ward rather than jail. in a mental hospital they can be supervised and given proper medical treatment, in jail they will only get worse, as they will be exposed to the most dangerous of people. 

if they're always going to be a threat, then they always need to be kept out of society.  seems pretty obvious to me.

Spytap wrote:

NokX wrote:

if they're always going to be a threat, then they always need to be kept out of society.  seems pretty obvious to me.

Define "threat" though...

child molestation, murder, abuse, etc....   long list i couldn't even start to name.

kamizuno wrote:

The problem with the idea of locking psychos up before they commit a crime is that they actually should go to a mental ward rather than jail. in a mental hospital they can be supervised and given proper medical treatment, in jail they will only get worse, as they will be exposed to the most dangerous of people.  http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/max … /humph.gif

The problem is there's no medications for homicidal psychopaths. It's doesn't seem to be a clinical illness.

people should be locked up and punished for crimes they committed. they should not be locked up because they have the "potential" to commit a crime... if that were the case, then we should all be locked up. EVERYONE has the potential to murder or committ some kind of crime in the right circumstances.... that doesn't mean that everyone will.

If they locked up all the psychopaths, there wouldn't be anyone left to post on the board.

Anyway,  I thought they did find a cure, I remember they demonstrated it in Clockwork Orange

Last edited by emaw_kc (2005-01-26 1:54 pm)

emaw_kc wrote:

If they locked up all the psychopaths, there wouldn't be anyone left to post on the board.

Hahahaha.......Hey!!! 

And, of course, folks were locked away in psych wards in the old Soviet Union for not thinking "correctly." Since mental fitness is mostly a judgment call, it can lead to dangerous practices by those in power.

I agree, Shnicky: no easy answers for this.

HAL9000 wrote:

kamizuno wrote:

The problem with the idea of locking psychos up before they commit a crime is that they actually should go to a mental ward rather than jail. in a mental hospital they can be supervised and given proper medical treatment, in jail they will only get worse, as they will be exposed to the most dangerous of people.  http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/max … /humph.gif

You obviously have no actual experience with a state-run mental hospital.  Those places are almost jail, but with a few pills.  No actual therapy occurs because of the lack of staff and the abondance of mentally ill individuals.

B

No, I have no experience with state run hospitals, my only experience has been with the VA hospitals. the VA mental wards were well run, and staffed by hard working, conscientious nurses and doctors. And an abundance of pills, which I was forced to take or they'd inject the meds into me. I still say it would be better that a psycho go to a ward rather than a prison, especially someone who didn't do any crime. But if you'd rather lock a man up in prison, you're entitled to you're opinion. Happy posting!!!!

PS-you've already told me you take 1 gram (I think that was the amount you said) of meds a day, I take 6 mg a day, so stop treating me like I'm picking on you and the mentally ill. I know what it's like, at least for a veteran under the care of the VA.

Last edited by kamizuno (2005-01-26 7:19 pm)

resedit wrote:

stoned wrote:

people should be locked up and punished for crimes they committed. they should not be locked up because they have the "potential" to commit a crime...

I agree - but someone who is mentally ill enough to be dangerous to society needs to be in a supervised facility.

A friend of mine is in and out of those facilities - sometimes it is fine for him to be in public under medication and do normal things, sometimes he needs to be in a facility.

That's just the way it is.

In a facility where you can come and go as you need to is great and i'm all for it, what I'm not keen on is locking someone in prison who hasn't committed any crime, because without help they'll only get worse, which means they might never be able to leave prison. Meanwhile some actual murderers might be getting parole after 10-15 years, and then maybe go on to commit more crimes, I've seen stuff like that happen on the crime shows on TV.

kamizuno wrote:

HAL9000 wrote:

kamizuno wrote:

The problem with the idea of locking psychos up before they commit a crime is that they actually should go to a mental ward rather than jail. in a mental hospital they can be supervised and given proper medical treatment, in jail they will only get worse, as they will be exposed to the most dangerous of people.  http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/max … /humph.gif

You obviously have no actual experience with a state-run mental hospital.  Those places are almost jail, but with a few pills.  No actual therapy occurs because of the lack of staff and the abondance of mentally ill individuals.

B

No, I have no experience with state run hospitals, my only experience has been with the VA hospitals. the VA mental wards were well run, and staffed by hard working, conscientious nurses and doctors. And an abundance of pills, which I was forced to take or they'd inject the meds into me. I still say it would be better that a psycho go to a ward rather than a prison, especially someone who didn't do any crime. But if you'd rather lock a man up in prison, you're entitled to you're opinion. Happy posting!!!!

PS-you've already told me you take 1 gram (I think that was the amount you said) of meds a day, I take 6 mg a day, so stop treating me like I'm picking on you and the mentally ill. I know what it's like, at least for a veteran under the care of the VA.

I never even suggested prison for a "thought crime".  And no, I don't think you're picking on me and I really don't care.  But I can probably guarantee you that you (or even myself) understands very much about mental illnesses.  If you want to see it at it's worst to get a good perspective I'd be happy to show you around.

B

EDIT:  I completely forgot what I was supposed to say.  Basically you had an ignorant (respectfully) and inadequate of the state run hospitals.  You implied treatment; however, there is little to no thearapies other than drugs.

Last edited by HAL9000 (2005-01-26 10:13 pm)

The guy is a conservative and Christian, must be a psychopath, lock him up.

Yeah, that's a fun bit of power to put in the hands of people, locking them up without committing a crime which merits it.