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#1 2005-01-30 1:58 am

yelowpunk
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Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

Okay, so I've been seriously looking at building a new system for some time now, maybe the better half of last year till now - and I'm about to come into some money in a little, so I'm thinking about this a lot harder and more, now.

I've NewEgged all my stuff, simply because in the $20 I overpay over scouring PriceWatch and other places, I get guaranteed FedEx service (unlike a lot of shady shops that don't say how they're shipping, and my local (and I use that term loosely) UPSs delivery hours are 'When:Tim's - Not:Home, solid return policy, and other Big Name (TM) incentives.

Anywho, here's what I have. I'm supplying my own optical and hard drives (have two 40GB drives, and a DVD+-RW and CD-ROM drive), case (I guess, I can't find anything good - see Curcuit Board for my post), and other misc parts (like screws and duct tape.)

Motherboard - I've thought about this for some time, and decided I'm going to go with a PCI-E based display adapter. Aside from the fact that 16X sounds twice as fast as 8X (big_smile), I'm guessing that AGP is being slowly phased out, and the next-after-next generation of video cards should ship PCI-E only. Hence, my decision.

For the motherboard, I'm going with the FOXCONN "NF4UK8AA-8EKRS" nForce4 Motherboard. I decided on nForce4 because, again, I want this to last me some time, and at the same time be ready for next-gen hardware. It's also the cheapest of the lot, and not much different in specifications.

For the Processor, I'm going with the AMD 64 3000+ (1.8Ghz). This is a nice chip that I can overclock to 2.3-4 Ghz easily, boosting it to ~3500+ speeds. Regardless what Apple's campaign was in '99, speed does matter. tongue

For the video card, and this was probably the toughest choice for me, I'm going with the Rosewill nVidia GeForce 6600GT (128MB) PCI-E with S-Video out. An overall solid card. I don't usually use more than one display, so this will be able to natively acommodate one VGA and one DVI display (when I upgrade, eventually) without those stoo-pid adapters. I'm quite embarassed to say that out of the similar spec video cards, same clock, ram size, everything, the graphic on the heatsink swayed me towards this card. Yes, how n00bish, but it is pretty. smile

For the memory, I've decided the less than a gig would do nothing but insult my efforts. For this, I feel the Kingmax MPXD42D-2 512MB DDR400 pair will do quite nicely. I've looked at the heatspreader models, and if heat is really a problem (which I don't think it will be), I will get those later. However, again, this is CAS 2.5 memory that was the cheapest of the bunch.

Then, to power all this, I don't think my 300 or 350W PSU will do the trick. To replace it, I'm looking at a couple other PSUs. In this, aside from Wattage, the cabling is very important to me. I'm looking for sleeved cabling preinstalled onto the PSU wiring. I freaking hate all those red and white and yellow cables getting into everything and everywhere, and they really do block air from circulating properly. So, the choices are:

The Winner so far is the Rosewill (again) 500W Black on black PSU.. The cables are wrapped in black heatshrink, and it has black molex connectors. You can't see this in the pictures, but the reviews say that. (I trust them, personally. shrug )

The Runner-Up is the Rosewill 500W Black on black PSU. Yea, I know. This one's $5 cheaper, but it also has a cheap silver plastic knob controlling the fan speed, instead of a more solid switch. Also, the top one's finish is better. I think for $5, cosmetic looks can decide the fate.

Like I said before, the rest of the parts I already have, and am using right now.

The grant total for what I'm buying: $644.56

Ouch.

I guess it's worth it, after all, I expect this to be a beast of a machine, able to handle anything I throw at it for the next two-three years (how much I expect it to last me) at which point I will have a real job and will be able to get myself a nice, new G6, quad Cell-chip @ 6 or 7Ghz each. big_smile

So, what do you guys think? Any questions? Comments? Replacements on my buying decisions (which I'm looking for most of all, because many people doing a little research usually yields better results than one person doing a lot.) or any other qualms?

I'm happy to read your comments.

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-Tim


Workstation: PPC970 @ 1.8Ghz G5 Tower.
Warstation: AMD64 3000+ @2.4Ghz / ASUS K8N-SLI [RIP]

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#2 2005-01-30 4:53 am

Avari
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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

If you can swing it, try out the latest ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" top end AMD motherboard from asus.

It has all the lastest technologies and then some. The best thing about this board are the dual PCIe slots so you could upgrade add another video card later and chain them together for some pretty potent graphic performance. Plus its an awsome overclocker. I personally only use ASUS mobos because they manufacture apples, can't go wrong there up

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#3 2005-01-30 8:10 am

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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

so no fx-55?
I made a list of discound plaes in case yuou didn't use them
www.shopping.com
ecost.com
nextag.com
ibuydigital.com
overstock.com

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#4 2005-01-30 11:23 am

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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

masterchief wrote:

so no fx-55?
...

Maybe when they get a little cheaper. Like, you know, 10x...

Avari, I just don't think I can swing it that much. I'm already a few dollars over budget, but I'm sure I can make up for that at a later time, and I have low percentage right now. However, $100+ over budget is just not acceptible for me.

The only bummer is that the motherboard I really want, the Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9, is always out of stock. It's an excellent motherboard for its price.

SLI? I don't think I'll be using it, quite honestly. One display adapter is enought to tide me over, I don't do anything that serious with the computer, some games there, some video here, but nothing groundbreaking. For that much power, I'm just waiting on the Cell processors. For, you know, 10 years.

As an added bonus, for buying both an AMD motherboard and Processor, I get a copy of HL2 from NewEgg. That's $55 saved, since I was going to get that game to accent my new rig anyway...

-Tim


Workstation: PPC970 @ 1.8Ghz G5 Tower.
Warstation: AMD64 3000+ @2.4Ghz / ASUS K8N-SLI [RIP]

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#5 2005-02-08 7:36 pm

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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

tell me more about overclocking the 3000+ . i have one now.


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#6 2005-03-09 7:56 pm

yelowpunk
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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

Okay, so I finally plunged down on the setup. I got the part via FedEx this morning. Using the box in question as we speak.

These are the real, final, final specs on the machine:

ASUS A8N-SLI motherboard  ~$175
AMD Athlon 64 XP 3000+ (1.8Ghz) ~$150
eVGA GeForce6600GT (128MB) ~$200
GEIL DDR3200 2x512MB RAM  ~$150
Rosewill pimp-ass black chrome 500W PSU ~$50

Everything came out to $716 and change with shipping. Ordered it Monday morning (for argument's sakes, not including my Credit Card Compay freezing my account due to 'unauthorized access') and it came two days later. The RAM and CPU (and free tee-shirt) came from Cali, and the rest came from Jersey.

So, now I'm on this machine. It's running awesome. World of Warcraft, on all highest settings is giving me 30FPS in towns/cities and 50+FPS out in the wild. Haven't tried a raid yet, we'll see how that goes.

I'm going to pick up a copy of HL2 and play that, now that I can. smile Going to see how the performance is on that, too.

Now, for the questions:

How do I overclock this system? I have it set to ~2.0 Ghz right now (220x125, I think) but it seems anything higher just keeps resetting my system. Can I damage the chip if I set it too high, or is there some sort of safety for this?

Also, I would like the benchmark my system before and after overclocking, to see if it's worth the extra stress on the system. What's the standard benchmark nowadays?

Thanks all,

-Tim


Workstation: PPC970 @ 1.8Ghz G5 Tower.
Warstation: AMD64 3000+ @2.4Ghz / ASUS K8N-SLI [RIP]

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#7 2005-03-09 8:35 pm

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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

Also, I would like the benchmark my system before and after overclocking, to see if it's worth the extra stress on the system. What's the standard benchmark nowadays?

It really depends on what subsystems you want to measure, and what you want to compare it against.

Aquamark or 3Dmark are convenient self-contained utilities. You can compare your score on their web sites against similar machines. They mostly stress the video and gaming capabilities.

Sisoft SANDRA contains some good benchmark utilities for isolating any bottlenecks in your system. It has a built-in comparison database. It's a quick and easy preliminary check after you build a system to see if any critical performance items are out of whack, like CPU, Cache, memory and hard drives.

CineBench is a common benchmark to compare macs and PCs for CPU and video accelleration performance.

I use a small benchmarking utility called UMark which plugs into Unreal Tournament 2004 to make benchmarking of that game easily and reliably repeatable.

http://www.unrealmark.net/

For a variety of other  3D games, I use Benchemall, which is another app which will set up easy game benchmarks.

http://benchemall.com/

For these two, you need the games themselves that you wish to benchmark.

And of course, Specview Perf 8 is available.

http://www.spec.org/gpc/downloadindex.html

Last edited by Ribtorus (2005-03-09 8:38 pm)


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#8 2005-03-11 1:32 am

yelowpunk
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Re: Final specs on homebuilt AMD64 are done - right?

I ran tests with 3DMark05, and got a score of ~3.5k.

Since my copy isn't registered, I cannot compare with other scores. Is this good?

Also, I'm getting some horrible tearing in World of Warcraft under DirectX, and while OpenGL is 99% problem-free, that 1% bugs the smurf out of me.

-Tim


Workstation: PPC970 @ 1.8Ghz G5 Tower.
Warstation: AMD64 3000+ @2.4Ghz / ASUS K8N-SLI [RIP]

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