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#1 2003-01-20 3:59 pm

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X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I recently got a email from another user asking about X10 home automation (not to be confused with the X11 UNIX software). I first got into X10 about 3 years ago when MacAddict did a really cool article on controlling your lights and appliance using your computer via X10 modules and computer interface.

Anyway, when I moved over to Mac OS X I sort of forgot about it since at the time there was no OS X software. The email I got has sort of sparked my interest again so I started this thread.

For those who don't know what X10 is, I'll breifly explain it. It's this system used for home automation...controlling lights, security systems, appliances etc. It transmits signals over your AC power lines throughout the house, eliminating the need for tons of extra wiring. There are modules that go between the outlets and the lights/appliances that receieve signals and turn on or off the device. Then there are controllers. There are desktop controllers, remote RF controllers, and computer interfaces. The computer interfaces are what I want to discuss.

Does anyone use X10 in Mac OS X?

I still use the modules and dek/remote controllers but I haven't used the computer interface in awhile due to lack of OS X software. I just did a quick search on www.versiontracker.com and found a program called IPexten. There are freeware and commerical versions. I haven't tried it but plan on it soon.

The main problem is that as far as i know there are no USB interfaces, they are all serial. I have a serial port (Griffin gPort) on my B&W PowerMac G3, but I'm sure most of you guys do not. Nonetheless you can still get USB to serial converters from Keyspan or Belkin or whatever.

At one point I got really geeky and set up a web interface using Xtensis (which is ApleScriptable) and a little CGI program called PSA.cgi which let you run AppleScripts (and various other commands) via a form on a webpages (which was hosted off my computer using personal web sharing). I also had a few webcams. It was pretty cool. Of course that was all OS 9.

So anyway, if anyone else uses X10 I would appreciate it if you would share your experiences and whatnot. Also, I loved the MacAddict article about home automation several years ago, so if the MacAddict staff is reading this, bring us more geeky articles similar to that!!!

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#2 2003-01-20 4:21 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Also, I recommend the ActiveHome CM11A computer interface.

http://www.smarthome.com/1140.html (bare bones, just the computer interface)

http://www.smarthome.com/1142.html
http://www.smarthome.com/1143.html
I'm not sure what the difference is (other than one includes a keychain remote). The IBM kits also include a remote, remote receiver, and module.

Then you will need Mac software. MouseHouse, Xtensis, and ThinkingHome are all nice...but they're for OS 9. IPexten for OS X (or OS 9) looks good but I haven't tried it yet.

I think the interfaces come with DB-9 connectors(PC serial) while Mac serials ports are Mini DIN 8...so you will need an adapter too. If you only have USB, the Keyspan products look good. Also if you get a USB serial converted with a Mini DIN 9 port rmemever you need a DB-9 adapter.

Got all that?

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#3 2003-01-20 11:56 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

THANKS, seriously, the interface is the hardest thing to figure out, but if you are using it, we know I can get it to work with Macs, that is great...  thanks...

Someone makes OS X software for X10 too, i just read about it...

I'll post it when I figure it out...


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#4 2003-01-20 11:59 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/010 … tion.shtml

There we go...

Thinking Home is OS X ready now...


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#5 2003-01-21 12:02 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Sweet! Thanks for the tip.

It looks like you and I are the only X10 users here...unless perhaps there are some lurkers out there who would like to share thier wisdom?

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#6 2003-01-21 12:05 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Looks like the IBM set has a slightly nicer RF Base thing, 16 device instead of 8 device with the other "kit"...


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#7 2003-01-21 12:06 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I just started learning unix, so next I'm going to try to find any X11 (the UNIX thing...not to be confused with X10) or other UNIX software for home automation.

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#8 2003-01-21 12:07 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I am not a user yet, trying to get into it, have been for a couple of years...  Just never felt like I knew what was going on...


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#9 2003-01-21 12:12 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I just started learning unix, so next I'm going to try to find any X11 (the UNIX thing...not to be confused with X10) or other UNIX software for home automation.

Great, well, keep us informed!  smile


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#10 2003-01-21 12:28 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Why aren't there ANY usb versions?

I think I am going to order mine right now.. thanks for the help, then hopefully I can add to this conversation a little more...


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#11 2003-01-21 12:32 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

There, did it, ordered...   eek


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#12 2003-01-21 4:40 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

You don't mean those stupid spy cameras, do you?  lol


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#13 2003-01-21 4:56 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Those spy cameras that you see ads for everywhere on the internet do use X10 but they are only a small portion of what X10 can be used for. They just use X10 to turn on and off, they transmit the video and audio wirelessly.

I actually have the set. I got it for cheap plus it came with motion detectors and a remote and stuff. It was a good deal actually...3 cameras+powersupplies, 1 receiver, 4 motion detectors, a remote and remote receiver for about $130.

When I had my web interface set up I could switch between different cameras and few them on web. It was nifty.

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#14 2003-01-21 5:22 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

No, I just got the interface and some basic modules so that I can control a few lamps and so on before I invest much more...


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#15 2003-01-21 8:26 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I tried out Thinking Home for Mac OS X (it has actually been available for a couple of years...) and its the same as the Mac OS 9 version. It crashed on me several times when I tried to get the interface status, but it seems to work on. I'll have to check out the other features later.

I think I liked MouseHouse better.

I still haven't gotten around to trying out IPexten...

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#16 2003-01-21 10:13 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

IPexten is CRAP. I can't get it to work, the interface is screwed up, i get errors after everything I do.

Bleh...stick with Thinking Home, its actually pretty good compared to this crap.

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#17 2003-01-21 10:30 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

confused Hope it works well enough to get by!


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#18 2003-01-21 10:42 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

It seems to work fine. I'm having trouble using it with different house codes (some are on house code C and some are on J and only the J ones are working for some reason...)

AppleScript and CGI are the next features I'm going to try out. You can actually use the application as a CGI through a webpage, much like I originally did with Xtensis and PSA.cgi...but all in one application. Or you can run AppleScripts through a CGI, which is even better because you can have custom pages created that reflect the status of the devices. Nifty!

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#19 2003-01-21 11:56 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I remember a program in OS 9 (or 8?) where you could do a 2D map of your home, (each level) right down to colour, pictures of lamps, TV's, doorways,etc. You could assign each picture to a function, so say that if you clicked on the lamp, it would change the picture to a lamp that was on before, is now off (oh, and it would send a signal to turn off the lamp too... kinda the important part).

All in all, I like the idea very very much, but it isn't where I need it to be for me right now. I would like that program back, so I can set it up on a laptop (or LCD iMac, or similar) that can be used by anyone. It would be set up somewhere easy to access, or have multiple access points, and possible touch screen, and more (airport connection to laptops in cars...).

Why I won't attempt the jump. No USB! I don't want to get stuck with a legacy product that I need a converter for right away. If you have to buy a converter to use a product to use it brand new, then it's not worth it IMHO.

The entire idea is very attractive to me, and I have big plans in mind for when the world catches up to what I want to do.


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#20 2003-01-22 12:19 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I want to set up voice activated Apple scrpts, with the right mic, I hope to have my bed room rigge dto do most everything by voice... we'll see if it works well, I'll make a video and show y'all

No USB really does kill me, come on, it is like 6 years old and EVERYONE uses it...


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#21 2003-01-22 3:41 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I don't mind because I have a built in serial port.

...now when I switch to a laptop next summer, then I'll be stuck

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#22 2003-01-22 9:51 am

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

well, honestly, i have an old PowerMac G3 Tower that I donated to a friend's internet Cafe, I guess I could take that back, but I have a perfectly good PowerBook G4 I wanted to use, and will, for now anyway. 

It just seems like there must be a reason for no USB, like the power that you can pull out of a USB port messes with the signal or something?  Otherwise I feel like they would have made it happen...

Then again I assume if they keep making this sort off thing, it is all going to me over WiFi, or BlueTooth soon, then you wouldn't even need an inerface, just the modules and the software...  I noticed they already have some RF based stuff, is there an RF interface for the computer?  If so I can'tfind one, or didn't realize what it was if I did!


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#23 2003-01-22 10:57 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

I remember a program in OS 9 (or 8?) where you could do a 2D map of your home, (each level) right down to colour, pictures of lamps, TV's, doorways,etc. You could assign each picture to a function, so say that if you clicked on the lamp, it would change the picture to a lamp that was on before, is now off (oh, and it would send a signal to turn off the lamp too... kinda the important part).

I remember that too...

Anyone remember what it was?


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#24 2003-01-23 4:40 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

It's HERE, It's HERE!


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#25 2003-01-23 5:40 pm

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Re: X10 and Home Automation on Mac OS X

Well using Thinking Home, I have had success even over the lines in my OLD apartment's wires (the house is pre-1900, don't know about the wiring, but I am still impressed...  I thought I would have to do all this through Power Strips!)  It is great so far...

Trying to learn how to make the macros and so on, so I can have a "Bedroom Lights" Macro that will turn on all my bedroom lights and so on...  or have it turn on my bedroom light and some iTunes when I say "Computer, I am Home..."  haven't figured it out yet...

I bought two different kids of modules, one being the chepest, no dimmer lamp module and that thing CLICKs really really loudly, and I mean audible from two rooms away! but I bought one that was a dollar more or so and it is silent, I think in the furture, THOSE are the ones I will buy! smile

Back to my learning/playing...


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