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#26 2003-01-23 8:26 pm

mentholiptus
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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

I posted something like this last year but here goes: The GC controller is... shall we say... inadequate. Playing Time Splitters became a chore for me and my friends who own the system kept kicking my ass for a week. This is the Kate Moss of controllers: Thin, fragile, and lacking functionality. The Xbox controller (the regular one) is great for me 'cause my hands are kinda big, it has substance. It's the latina with the nice booty of the controllers. My friends and I agree that the PS2 controller is one of the best. Analog everything, small, but not too small, great for all genres (Xbox fails miserably for most fighting games and Tony Hawk). It is the Mia Kunis or Beyonce Knowles of the controllers, the crowd pleaser. Something for everyone. A while ago, I noticed that the Xbox and PS2 contollers have the same number of bottons, sticks, and pads... I wonder...  wink

Gee, how insightful....yet, at the same time, completely retarded...   lol

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#27 2003-01-23 8:35 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

You should have seen the last time I commented on controllers, I compared the GC controller to robot piss or something, it was wild. Frankly, I just like getting lots of negative attention and going on about things that make little sense.


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#28 2003-01-24 6:05 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

I only used the original Xbox controller at demos in stores, and didn't like it then. But the Controller S I have is great, it has all the best aspects of the DC that I'm used to and improves on it considerably. I actually feel the GC controller is too small, and the PS2 controller never felt good in my hands. But it is all about personal choice, I'm glad that there are three consoles all competing for our dollars right now and that everyone has choices. This whole 'fanboy' crap is really stupid IMO. I don't think the PS2 or GC have what I like in gaming, so I got an Xbox instead. If you love Mario, obviously you know which system you should get.

I just got Halo yesterday, finally, and I have to say it is the best video game I've ever played. It's amazing, and the Xbox controller really does work well with FPS, as long as the game itself is tuned well for it. Halo and Serious Sam are, but so far I've tried MOH:F and Jedi Knight (?) which I thought were way too cumbersome. Halo just flows and I never even thought about the controller being inferior.

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#29 2003-01-27 6:56 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

i hafta admit, tho the Gamecube controller has to be the most COMFORTABLE i have ever used, the button layout stinks for non-nintendo games! and the teeny tiny eensy weensy d-pad has GOT to go!!! why on earth does the GC controller have a measly seven buttons when the n64 had nine? Xbox and PS2 both have 10!! I asked the same question about the dreamcast that had six when the saturn had eight! Does someone up there in design-a-console-land think that the more complex these consoles get, the LESS buttons we'll need?

I fail to understand why nintendo, after coming out with the BEST (not most comfortable, just the best) controller EVER for a home console system (SNES) decided to come up with these spage-age, futuristic controller designs,that ALWAYS seem to have some MAJOR flaw. Sony, obviously noticing the advantages of the snes control pad button layout, decided to improve upon a good thing (notice the similarities yet? coincidence? i think not!).

So i guess the nest nintendo console will have THREE analog sticks, and two awkwardly placed buttons, but will be the MOST comfortable controller EVER!!!!

geeeeeez........
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#30 2003-01-27 8:10 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

i think for non-platformers, the cube control is seriously lacking. 

the s-control, imo, is a perfectly balanced control

and like i said earlier, the PS2 does nothing well, but does nothing poorly as well.


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#31 2003-01-28 4:10 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

I just want to add that I picked up Medal of Honor for GC and have really been enjoying it. Normally I have a rough time playing a FPS on a console, but I'm doing really well. So as far as the GC controller not being good for FPS... not in my house. Left analog stick to move, right analog to aim, left shoulder to zoom, right shoulder to fire and z button to reload. It feels really comfortable and quite natural to me.

And to add to that, a friend of mine brought over Time Splitters and we had a blast with the 2-player simultaneous missions. IMO, that ame is a lot more fun than Halo, even without local network play.


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#32 2003-01-28 4:26 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

I didn't like the controls in TimeSplitters2. The aiming was too cumbersome IMO. Maybe I just don't like how the guns bend while you aim, that's just weird. I guess you can get used to it, but since Halo handles so well, it seems odd that other games in this genre on the same consoles can be so different. Otherwise it looks like an awesome game, I just played on level. The '20 gangsta sceens look cool, so do the wild west ones.

One game I'd like to see on the Mac is Serious Sam. The engine is all OpenGL and it's engine has relatively meager demands. Plus you can have a whole lot of enemies onscreen at a time. They only charge $10 for the Windows version now, $20 for the Xbox. It would be cool if some Mac developer liscenced the engine and made some cool Mac-first games. That would be refreshing.

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#33 2003-01-29 4:14 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

I've heard that the Xbox costs $400 to produce, so they lose a mint of money, by selling them, so they make it up by being the only publisher of Xbox games.
Does that allow them to really rip their developers off?
I really only use IE 5, and sparingly at that because I'm no Microsoft fan. I have $200 that I can only spend at Target. I have a GameCube, but there's nothing I want for that right now. So I was thinking about an Xbox, and getting Halo.

Well, personally I'm avoiding the X-Box because it's by Microsoft.  That company's evil, and the main reason I switched to a Mac is because of that (forced registration in Windows XP finally did it for me).  It would be pretty stupid of me to turn around and support the X-Box.  Like all the consoles, every game you buy is directly giving money to the hardware manufacter.  I'd much rather be giving it to Nintendo or Sony, not that I'm crazy about them either, but they're no Microsoft.

Also, for me personally, the only games I want on it are about 4 different Sega games.  They're games that make it pretty tempting, but I've never bought a console just for one companie's games before anyway.

On the other hand, should I wait till this summer and get Halo for my iBook? A Radeon 7000 is about equal to a GeForce2 MX right?

Do you have the current 800mhz iBook?  If so, that's a Radeon 7500, not a 7000.  And it should be something like a Geforce 2, not a Geforce 2MX.  I don't know for sure whether it would run better or not, but the control would be better, and it has more networking options (plus you've already got the hardware).

Regarding the Gamecube controller comments:  Personally I think it's pretty great.  It's only shortcoming is that it dosen't do things like Street Fighter as well as the Dual Shock pad.  I'd love it if Nintendo or someone released a pad specifically for games that need a different layout.  Actually Horti or someone has something like that intended for Gameboy Advance games, but it would probably work nicely for fighting games too.

IMO it and the N64 pads are the only ones I've been able to control a FPS with.  I still prefer a mouse and keyboard of course, but it's at least doable on the Gamecube.  I like the Dual Shock pad too, but it's worthless for FPS.  Maybe because of the sticks being less sensative, or maybe something else, I dunno.

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#34 2003-01-29 11:59 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

Get an Xbox. It is great. I have one and it fufills all of my gaming needs.

Halo was designed for the Xbox. It was ORGINIALLY a strategy game for the Mac but alot changed and it uses alot of Xbox specific things to make it look swanky.

The main controller is great if you are an adult or have equivalent hands.

It does NOT cost $400 to make an Xbox. It never did and now that all the hardware involved in it is older, it costs even less.

There are alot of great games. I have about 15 and love them all (I am picky with my games). Xbox Live is great too.

Mac for work, Xbox for play.

So long,
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#35 2003-01-30 12:38 am

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

Halo was designed for the Xbox. It was ORGINIALLY a strategy game for the Mac

It was originally a first person shooter for the Mac/Windows.

but alot changed and it uses alot of Xbox specific things to make it look swanky.

The X-Box doesn

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#36 2003-01-31 1:35 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

Well, personally I'm avoiding the X-Box because it's by Microsoft. That company's evil, and the main reason I switched to a Mac is because of that (forced registration in Windows XP finally did it for me). It would be pretty stupid of me to turn around and support the X-Box. Like all the consoles, every game you buy is directly giving money to the hardware manufacter. I'd much rather be giving it to Nintendo or Sony, not that I'm crazy about them either, but they're no Microsoft.

So you're avoiding a perfectly awsome game console because you think Microsoft is evil? I'm sorry, but you're the short sighted one. It's not the 1980's anymore. And I'm sorry Windows XP Registration turned you off; its really a pity you cant pirate Windows, something many programmers work hard on to create, isn't it?

So smurfing what if the Xbox loses money every time its produced? The PS2 has the same problem. It's called COM, or Cost of Manufature. Sony and Microsoft both charge royalties on their games, Sony $7 and Microsoft $5. This includes testing by both companies, but the fact is royalties keep profits up. Please stop using the argument that 'Microsoft's Xbox costs $400 dollars to make and it's only $200! LOL BUY ONE SO YOU HURT MICROSOFT'

smurfing idiots.

It's not hurting Micrsoft. They're gaining market saturation. They're releasing an Xbox SE, a smaller, compact, and cheaper Xbox in a few months. It will hover around $120-$99, with all the same features.

Microsoft has BILLIONS of dollars on hand, more than Sony. They can dump literally billions into marketing and promotions in the US, dominating the US market. Sony has the problem of worldwide marketing, and having to distrubute its ads over many markets.

Maybe, in the end, the Xbox will be the US's console, and only ours. And frankly, what's wrong with that?


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#37 2003-01-31 3:51 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

So you're avoiding a perfectly awsome game console

In your opinion.  I wouldn

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#38 2003-01-31 6:53 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

Well yeah, so I bought one. It really is the only Microsoft product that I've liked. If they do a good job, I'm not going to go out of my way to not buy one if I want one. Similarly, when Apple screws up, I don't feel like buying a product of theirs just to support them. Xbox live is also done very well, but I don't want any live enabled games so I not going to get that any day soon.

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1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant. See Synonyms at bad1.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

Honestly, that applies to a darn lot of businesses. Sony and Nintendo are really only out to make money too. Sony isn't any better than Microsoft. They make movies, music, and electronics and computers to use them on. Look at what they are doing with their publishing. Assuming everyone is a bad person, they are screwing everybody with their copy protection crap. You can't encode any Sony CD easily anymore because they make them impossible to read in computers. I don't have any MP3 on my hard drive that I don't have the CD for. Then again I don't have any Sony CD's.
Does any other platform you own include a playstation? Check slashdot sometime to see all the crap that comes up about Sony.


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#39 2003-02-01 12:24 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

So you're avoiding a perfectly awsome game console

In your opinion.  I wouldn


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#40 2003-02-01 12:57 pm

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if you're avoiding X-Box because MS is evil, aren't you equally obligated to avoid gaming on your 'far more powerful Windows' machine?

That's an excellent question!

I got an Xbox precicely to avoid getting a cheap PC for gaming, and this way I don't have to deal with Windows licensing, bugs, and virii. M$ may suck on the OS front, and be a generally evil company, but what capitalist is in it for the love? They would all sacrifice babies to Satan for a profit (I'm kidding here ).  big_smile

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#41 2003-02-02 12:15 pm

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Re: Microsoft and the Xbox

Existential issues aside (if a tree falls on the Redmond campus and...),

It

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