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Spaceman · 2003-01-21 5:36 am

Just wondered, what with there now being OSX and Windows versions of the iPod, surely all those splashing out on the windows version will be hesitant to then buy a Mac?

If you see what I mean.

~Coxy · 2003-01-21 5:41 am

I would assume that before the released the Windows version, Apple's accountants worked out that the increase in iPod sales would be a lot better than the (negligible, I'm guessing) loss in new Mac hardware sales.

There were people using their iPods with Wintel machines before Apple released them specifically to work, you know.

MadMan 459 · 2003-01-21 5:44 am

No, because there are plenty of Windows users who had no intention of buying a Mac that still wanted an iPod.

Perhaps the iPod will open their eyes to other Apple products?

Spaceman · 2003-01-21 5:45 am

There were people using their iPods with Wintel machines before Apple released them specifically to work, you know.

That's a very good point, I forgot about that.

Maybe Apple have a trade-in scheme for any wintel users wanting to switch? cos if they don't- they should do!

Northwind · 2003-01-21 9:28 am

You guys do know that you can reformet your iPod from Windows to Mac, right? (but not the other way)

Tickle-Me-Eric · 2003-01-21 10:08 am

yeah, the ammount of iPods I see in NYC HAS to be higher than it would have been, and I doubt all these people would have switched for the iPod. Seriously get on a subway in New York (the F line anyway, which I spend most of my time on) and try to find a car with out at least 2 iPods during an at least moderately busy time... it is crazy they are every where...

Within Five years Apple will be that digital media player company that also makes computers lol

Spaceman · 2003-01-21 10:25 am

You guys do know that you can reformet your iPod from Windows to Mac, right? (but not the other way)

Well I didn't. But do now.

Not the other way round-nice one Apple!

Tickle-Me-Eric · 2003-01-21 10:41 am

Once you go Mac... WE WON'T LET YOU GO BACK....

project mayhem · 2003-01-21 12:28 pm

Yes you will- I sure did.

I had an Athlon 1300 system and sold it and bought an iBook. I liked OS X but it was so damn slow. So I sold it and bought an 867mhz PowerMac with Superdrive and put a Radeon 8500, more RAM, and another hard drive in it. It ran OS X much better, but it was still so damn slow. I also had a lot of programs crashing, and I couldn't believe how doggy iMovie is. To add a simple transition takes forever, and rendering is a joke- even for a 5 minute movie. I use After effects and Photoshop- also slow on the PowerMac. So I sold it and built a new PC. This time with "true" DDR and a Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. I still had $850 left over from selling my Macs too.

I like Windows XP, not quite as much as OS X, but it's still easy to use and it supports hardware much better- scanners, USB devices, etc. You can find a million skins to change the way it looks too. You can run XP for weeks without a reboot. I got a new motherboard with Bluetooth, Serial ATA, and ATA-133 RAID, so I have 2 80GB Western Digital hard drives in a RAID aray which is blazing fast-Photoshop loads faster then the finder did on the Mac. I can now render projects at light speed, and use after effects at 100% full resolution (for those of you who know the program) on even the most complex projects.

If the IBM 970 ends up spanking the PC, which is HIGHLY unlikely, I might switch again... but the current line-up of Macs are just pretty turtles.

titus02906 · 2003-01-21 12:33 pm

kefkafloyd · 2003-01-21 12:58 pm

but not the other way

Actually, yes you can.

NAG · 2003-01-21 1:38 pm

titus02906 why are your constantly posting your godzilla images everywhere?

Anyway, selling iPods to everyone was smart. Can a windows iPod work with Linux?

Stop the Robots · 2003-01-21 5:09 pm

No, because there are plenty of Windows users who had no intention of buying a Mac that still wanted an iPod.

Perhaps the iPod will open their eyes to other Apple products?

Worked w/ me!

Tickle-Me-Eric · 2003-01-21 5:15 pm

No, because there are plenty of Windows users who had no intention of buying a Mac that still wanted an iPod.

Perhaps the iPod will open their eyes to other Apple products?
Worked w/ me!

Awesome

project mayhem · 2003-01-21 5:15 pm

read this carefully:
Apple stores say that 50% of purchases were not previous Mac users. Apple says about 50% of iPods sold were to windows users. 1+1=2... Apple is not switching as many people as they'd like you to think, they are just selling iPods.

By the way, I bought 2 computers at an Apple store and no one asked me if I was Mac or PC first. A friend of mine bought an iBook last fall and no one asked him either. Another friend bought a PowerBook G4 this winter and no asked him... where are they getting this data?!

Czachorski · 2003-01-21 5:31 pm

I think the cross-over for the iPod to windows users is pure genius. Just yesterday, one of the senior manager at my work was saying: yeah, but with 5,000 songs in an iPod, how the heck do you find the music you want???? I explained about the wheel and easy to use menu's, and he still didn't believe me, so I told him - just go try one. (Where??? At the Mac stores - also pure genius). When he does, he will be looking down the aisle at the Mac's and thinking hmmmmm.

I also had a lot of programs crashing, and I couldn't believe how doggy iMovie is. To add a simple transition takes forever, and rendering is a joke- even for a 5 minute movie.

Funny....but, I had just the opposite occur. I was all ready to buy a new athalon PC and tried to do video editing on a similar machine at work and could never get the PC to work with video editing. Sound skips, computer crashes, hours and hours spent just to fix all the problems and conflicts, I never did get to do any editing, because I literally spent 8 hours arm wrestling the computer.

Yeah, I will say that the PC sure did run fast. It screwed up my video and added skips in the audio with just 30 seconds of rendering time. Total time spent to get skippy, screwed up video on a PC = 8 hours + 30 seconds. On the Mac, it took about 1.5 minutes to get iMovie to work and running, plus 40 seconds to render the video. Total time spent to get a flawless, beautiful video on a Mac = 1.5 minutes + 40 seconds. Hmmmm, which is faster?

Czachorski · 2003-01-21 5:50 pm

read this carefully:
Apple stores say that 50% of purchases were not previous Mac users. Apple says about 50% of iPods sold were to windows users. 1+1=2... Apple is not switching as many people as they'd like you to think, they are just selling iPods.

You really should do an example and think things through before you post them (and tell all of us to read them carefully). Your ingenius 1+1=2 observation would only hold true for a certain ratio of iPod sales to Mac sales, but I am to tired right now to figure that ratio out. (tired from wrestling my PC at work all day, btw). Ok - thought about it - you are assuming that all of their sales ar iPods. (someone who is not so tired, confirm that this makes sense).

Using your percentages: Let's say they sell 1,000 Macs and 1,000 iPods. Half of these 2,000 sales are to people who previously were not Mac users. That is 1000 sales to people who are not Mac users. But they only sold 500 iPods to PC users (half of the iPod sales). That means they sold 500 Macs to windows users.

By the way, I bought 2 computers at an Apple store and no one asked me if I was Mac or PC first. A friend of mine bought an iBook last fall and no one asked him either. Another friend bought a PowerBook G4 this winter and no asked him... where are they getting this data?!

Ever hear of sampling or polling. Quite accurace estimates can be made with relatively small sample of customers on a percentage basis. How do you think the nielsen ratings work? Are you and your friends nielsen familes? where are the nielsen ratings people getting this data?!

Ribtorus · 2003-01-21 6:02 pm

It's not taking long for 50% sales to non-Mac owners to become 50% of sales to windows owners. I heard that one on the radio too.

Gandolf · 2003-01-21 6:50 pm

You can run XP for weeks without a reboot.

Heck, I can't even shut my XPP _off_. It is in infinite reboot mode. If I hit the power button just at the right time it finally goes off. As for home DVD production, the Wall Street Journal recently ran a comparison between WinXP and MacOSX and picked OSX as the easiest to use and the best for home DVD video production.

Ribtorus · 2003-01-21 6:54 pm

Gandolf; I'm guessing you've got Roxio CD Creator installed, if so, get the latest updates from them to resolve the re-boot issue.

opium · 2003-01-21 7:00 pm

this post is for Czachorski to that s/he is right.

Apple Reports First Quarter Results

Apple shipped 743 thousand Macintosh

Mac Observer Report

Apple sold some 216,000 iPods during the December quarter

1) 216 000 iPods

Czachorski · 2003-01-21 7:21 pm

this post is for Czachorski to that s/he is right.

Toronto is an awesome City.

project mayhem · 2003-01-21 7:42 pm

I'm bad at math

you misunderstood what I wrote. Apple said 50% of Apple retail store sales were to non-Mac users- nowhere did they say that they actually bought a computer! Apple said about 50% of iPods sold were to windows users. From this you can figure out that it is possible that 100% of the sales to PC users were iPods and not computers.

opium · 2003-01-21 9:22 pm

I'm bad at math
you misunderstood what I wrote. Apple said 50% of Apple retail store sales were to non-Mac users- nowhere did they say that they actually bought a computer! Apple said about 50% of iPods sold were to windows users. From this you can figure out that it is possible that 100% of the sales to PC users were iPods and not computers.

You worked for Enron didn't you.
I have one question, are you six years old?. I ask because you do math as if you are.

what am I doing you will not get this.so I will know explain it to you. in order for what you say to be true then all the Apple stores are selling are iPods.

I now know you are box of heads so I will move on.

p.s. tell me what's the point of having a fast computer if you can not do simple math on it. or is this a case of Mac user being smarter than PC users. I think this is a good time for AMD to jump in. at least he try's to troll in a smart way,

~Coxy · 2003-01-21 9:34 pm

I now know you are box of heads so I will move on.

Yeah, the life history post really pegged it down for me. wink

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