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oatmeal wrote:

Grumpy wrote:

meaningless trophy

Do you have one?

No.

Regular Joe wrote:

barredreality wrote:

Aren't Lifetime Achievement awards reserved for people that had long productive careers, not just people that had careers long ago? When was the last new Zeppelin tune? For that matter, was there a tune or was it just shreiking with guitar accompaniment?
If the same six tired old Zeppelin songs on the radio constitute achievement, God help us all. However, musical popularity and Grammy awards are often inversely proportional to quality and talent so... whatever. Please feel free to tear me to pieces because I don't like to hear high-pitched non-singing recorded on old equipment that high-pitched everything anyway.

If you like any modern rock music today it was somewhat influenced by Zep. They not only reserve one for their music but for their contribution to music and the direction that it took, for better or for worse. I own very few Zepplin songs but own many that which, without their influence, I would not. Congrats.!

Zeppelin is my favorite band ever but don't go overboard! Zeppelin took almost all their stuff from blues, infused it with (at the time) modern and spectacular guitar, drums and base playing, beautifully well written lyrics, and there you have it, musical greatness. Although they took it to another level they didn't create anything new.

Chris FOM wrote:

Nobody does, or has recently. Just about all music that's been written for several thousand years has merely been taking what has come before and elevating it to another level, or moving it in a new direction. Nobody, not Mozart, not Beethoven, not Debussey, nor any of the other all-time great composers, and certainly not Led Zeppelin did anything truly new. Their genius lay in taking what had come before and mixing it and recasting it in a way people hadn't seen before.

I was gonna say that.

wellfleation, I didn't mean they invented the sound but are responsible for taking it in a different direction. There are other bands who have done so in the past while others have done great work without actually influencing the flow of music that came after. Most modern 'rock' music owes it's roots to blues, soul and gosel. Some have changed it's course while others have created their own course. My band did neither but we had fun.

About ten or so years ago I caught Robert Plant and Jimmy Page live. They was 2 orchestras behind them. Out of the hundreds of shows I have been to- this ranks in the top three. Between Robert's vocals and Jimmy's bow on the guitar technique, I was freakin'. Jimmy also was using that instrument. . . I can't think of the name now, but it's the one where depending on the distance you are from it, it makes sound. Awesome to hear live.

Oh, and at the timee I had no idea who Rusted Root was. They opened for them. Like an extra little bonus. I wonder what ever happened to them.

And I doubt if Jimmy Page gives two smurfs about a grammy. Maybe Plant, but not Jimmy.

Chris FOM wrote:

Jimmy also was using that instrument. . . I can't think of the name now, but it's the one where depending on the distance you are from it, it makes sound.

It's called a telharmonium. Not sure if I spelled it right, but that's phonetically what it's called.

I believe what you're thinking of is a theramin, which uses antennae and the proximity thereto to control pitch and volume, not a telharmonium, which was played by one or more polyphonic keyboards.

As for your earlier point about nobody in the past couple thousand years doing anything new in music I believe you are also mistaken.  J.S. Bach changed music forever, setting forth the rules of how western music was to be composed and performed.  Mozart broke most of those rules, and did things no one else had.  Beethoven blurred the line between the classical period and the romantic period using harmonies that no one had yet used (with any success).  And I'm only scratching the surface of this topic, as I don't have time to go into great detail. 

I know what you were meaning, I think, when you wrote that above.  There are only twelve diatonic tones in western music, and therefore every note that has ever been played in western music will have been played before.  Every note that comes before every note played has been played before, etc.  But to think this means that "it's all been done before" is to miss out on a huge part of what it is that makes music such a wonderful thing.

Last edited by VegasACF (2005-02-27 4:36 pm)

barredreality wrote:

Aren't Lifetime Achievement awards reserved for people that had long productive careers, not just people that had careers long ago? When was the last new Zeppelin tune? For that matter, was there a tune or was it just shreiking with guitar accompaniment?
If the same six tired old Zeppelin songs on the radio constitute achievement, God help us all. However, musical popularity and Grammy awards are often inversely proportional to quality and talent so... whatever. Please feel free to tear me to pieces because I don't like to hear high-pitched non-singing recorded on old equipment that high-pitched everything anyway.

Robert Plant doesnt shreik, he wails...oh yeah you know you like that.  Cmon, he is, in my opinion, the best rock singer ever. And what 6 songs would you be talking about.  The 6 songs taht i hear most on the radio by led zeppelin are probably Kashmir, Stairway To Heaven, Rock n Roll, Black Dog, All My Love, and Ramble On.  However, I do still hear others.  Also, while those are great songs, there are so many other greats.... and for the person that asked whoi can pronounce d'yer maker, its prounced as Jamaica.  And barredreality, you should watch the "Led Zeppelin" DVD..I saw the Albert Hall concert and it is one of the best THINGS i have EVER seen.Led Zeppelin is the best band EVER, besides the one and only Beatles...who are like the gods of rock.

G4cubeguy wrote:

I have a large project to finish, and I'll explain why when I'm done it.

We'll be waiting. Seriously-- you've made me, for one, very curious.

My opinion on Zeppelin's originality: They took songs from the bluesmen before them, but made them modern. They also wrote many songs of their own. In addition, they played many concerts with lots and lots of improvisation. There can be no denying (I can really shake 'em down-- no, wait) that they were full of creativity. It's easy to tell the people who don't know the truth about Led. Those people dismiss them as unoriginal.

I have plenty of recordings by Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Blind Willie Johnson, Arthur Crudup, Albert King, and the rest. Led Zeppelin carried on the tradition. If you call them copycats, you'll only make yourself look ignorant in the eyes of those of us who know. Embarrass yourself if you wish; otherwise, get down to Tower Records and educate yourself.

Gah! It's pretty clear I don't like them so why are people suggesting I spend $30-$100 on DVDs or album collections?

Which six songs. I don't know their names. I get annoyed in under 10 seconds and flip to something else.

wellfleation wrote:

Zeppelin is my favorite band ever but don't go overboard! Zeppelin took almost all their stuff from blues, infused it with (at the time) modern and spectacular guitar, drums and base playing, beautifully well written lyrics, and there you have it, musical greatness. Although they took it to another level they didn't create anything new.

Dude, The Rain Song. Page was a master at coming up with bizzaro guitar tunings and his production work was years beyond what was going on at the time. I don't deny that they did borrow from the blues, but they weren't the first. You notice as they progressed they went more and more away from the blues standard. Too each their own though, for me when I think 70's I think Led Zep (and maybe a litte bit of the Nuge heheh)