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#51 2005-02-15 10:36 pm
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#52 2005-02-15 10:41 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
bedstuy wrote:
obtuse wrote:
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Can someone translate this for me? What language is it? Bigdiggeramia?Looks like a dialect of shortbusese to me.
Perhaps. Then again I haven't a clue about the meaning of life...
No you don't have a clue about history.
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#53 2005-02-15 10:46 pm
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You guys are mean...
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#54 2005-02-15 10:59 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
Cyberpawz wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Looks like a dialect of shortbusese to me.Perhaps. Then again I haven't a clue about the meaning of life...
No you don't have a clue about history.
No, you don't have a clue how to speak English.
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#55 2005-02-16 6:02 am
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
bedstuy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
Perhaps. Then again I haven't a clue about the meaning of life...No you don't have a clue about history.
No, you don't have a clue how to speak English.
Ohhh, good comback. So then I take it I was right, you are bound to repeat history because you never learned from it. Tis a shame really, but again not amazing, since you are so blinded by hatred.
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#56 2005-03-10 3:57 pm
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GLBT suicide prevention workshop barred from using word gay
Some Oregon mental health professionals are enraged because the organizers of a gay suicide prevention program were asked by the U.S. government to delete references to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in the event's title. The workshop's title is now "Suicide Prevention in Vulnerable Populations" instead of "Suicide Prevention Among Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender Individuals."
Organizers say they were asked to remove the words by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services, which is funding the February 28 workshop in Portland. The controversy has promoted a flood of e-mails to the office of Charles Curie, the administrator of the federal agency.
"This has become a political football," said Reid Vanderburgh of Portland, one of the workshop presenters and a psychologist who treats transgender men and women.
Ron Bloodworth, a former coordinator of youth suicide prevention for Oregon and one of three specialists leading the session, was not happy about the change. "We find this behavior on the part of our government intolerable," he wrote in an e-mail to colleagues, in which he called upon the government to "end this shameful marginalization of an already marginalized at-risk population." (From Advocate.com wire services)
there's really no need for all of this
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#57 2005-03-10 4:02 pm
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PBS pulls cartoon
The nation's new education secretary denounced PBS on Tuesday for spending public money on a cartoon with lesbian characters, saying many parents would not want children exposed to such lifestyles.
The not-yet-aired episode of Postcards From Buster shows the title character, an animated bunny named Buster, on a trip to Vermont, the only state in which same-sex civil unions can be performed. The episode features two lesbian couples, although the focus is on farm life and maple sugaring.
A PBS spokesman said late Tuesday that the nonprofit network has decided not to distribute the episode, titled "Sugartime!" to its 349 stations.
Education secretary Margaret Spellings said the "Sugartime!" episode does not fulfill the intent Congress had in mind for programming. By law, she said, any funded shows must give top attention to "research-based educational objectives, content, and materials."
"Many parents would not want their young children exposed to the lifestyles portrayed in the episode," Spellings wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to Pat Mitchell, president and chief executive officer of PBS.
"Congress's and the Department's purpose in funding this programming certainly was not to introduce this kind of subject matter to children, particularly through the powerful and intimate medium of television."
She asked PBS to consider refunding the money it spent on the episode.
With her letter, Spellings has made criticism of the publicly funded program's depiction of gay people one of her first acts as secretary. She began on Monday, replacing Rod Paige as President Bush's education chief.
Spellings issued three requests to PBS.
She asked that her department's seal or any statement linking the department to the show be removed. She asked PBS to notify its member stations of the nature of show so they could review it before airing it. And she asked for the refund "in the interest of avoiding embroiling the Ready-to-Learn program in a controversy that will only hurt" it.
In closing, she warned, "You can be assured that in the future the department will be more clear as to its expectations for any future programming that it funds."
In the show, Buster carries a digital video camera and explores regions, activities, and people of different backgrounds and religions. On the episode in question, "the fact that there is a family structure that is objectionable to the Department of Education is not at all the focus of the show, nor is it addressed in the show," said Sloan of PBS.
there's really no need for all of this
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#58 2005-03-10 4:04 pm
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Studies about suicide among gay youth can't be talked about.
Same-sex couples can't be talked about.
Mary Cheney can't be talked about.
Yet, gay people exist whenever the Republican bigotry machine wants get votes...
there's really no need for all of this
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#59 2005-03-10 4:15 pm
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Talk about dredging up a dead topic...
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#60 2005-03-10 4:31 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
Cyberpawz wrote:
Talk about dredging up a dead topic...
Do you have anything to add or are you just trying (again) to add to your postcount?
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#61 2005-03-10 4:34 pm
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The article was posted less than one month ago. I have no time for trolling.
"Our findings help explain why so many people still hold on to damaging old fictions and profound misunderstandings about our GLBT family members and friends," said Ron Schlittler, PFLAG's executive director. "Misinformation goes unchallenged because accurate information is virtually banned in our schools."
While the assessment indicated a growing awareness of GLBT safe-schools issues, results also showed critical deficiencies in support of GLBT youths. Some important findings include:
(1) 95% of school counseling services had little or no gay, lesbian, or bisexual resources;
(2) 99% of school counseling services had little or no transgender resources;
(3) 70% had no training for educators or staff on how to stop GLBT bullying;
(4) 92% had no training for students on how to stop GLBT bullying;
(5) 84% had little or no resources for parents about GLBT issues;
(6) 59% did not include gay, lesbian, or bisexual students in their harassment or nondiscrimination policies; and
(7) 75% did not include gender identity or expression in their harassment or nondiscrimination policies.
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At every level, gay people are made invisible by the Bush administration, and only referred to abstractly.
A Jewish reporter who infiltrated a Pennsylvania hate group, met a member who said she'd kill any Jew or gay person she met. When asked if she had met any, she said no.
there's really no need for all of this
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#62 2005-03-10 4:37 pm
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This thread is technically not a zombie; the last post in it before XYZ woke it up again was less than a month ago and we've defined zombie threads as having the last post over two months ago.
On-topic posts would be nice from here.
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#63 2005-03-10 4:53 pm
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The article was posted less than one month ago. I have no time for trolling.
"Our findings help explain why so many people still hold on to damaging old fictions and profound misunderstandings about our GLBT family members and friends," said Ron Schlittler, PFLAG's executive director. "Misinformation goes unchallenged because accurate information is virtually banned in our schools."
While the assessment indicated a growing awareness of GLBT safe-schools issues, results also showed critical deficiencies in support of GLBT youths. Some important findings include:
(1) 95% of school counseling services had little or no gay, lesbian, or bisexual resources;
(2) 99% of school counseling services had little or no transgender resources;
(3) 70% had no training for educators or staff on how to stop GLBT bullying;
(4) 92% had no training for students on how to stop GLBT bullying;
(5) 84% had little or no resources for parents about GLBT issues;
(6) 59% did not include gay, lesbian, or bisexual students in their harassment or nondiscrimination policies; and
(7) 75% did not include gender identity or expression in their harassment or nondiscrimination policies.link
At every level, gay people are made invisible by the Bush administration, and only referred to abstractly.
A Jewish reporter who infiltrated a Pennsylvania hate group, met a member who said she'd kill any Jew or gay person she met. When asked if she had met any, she said no.
You mean she never met a happy person in her life? What a sad person...
oatmeal wrote:
This thread is technically not a zombie; the last post in it before XYZ woke it up again was less than a month ago and we've defined zombie threads as having the last post over two months ago.
On-topic posts would be nice from here.
That's being overly generous if you ask me...
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#64 2005-03-10 5:50 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
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You mean she never met a happy person in her life? What a sad person...
Joke or serious? Either way, poor taste.
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#65 2005-03-10 7:56 pm
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iBubba wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
You mean she never met a happy person in her life? What a sad person...
Joke or serious? Either way, poor taste.
It's called Tongue in Cheek humor.
But in any case, why call a kettle anything but black... you or XYZ aren't talking about happy people that's for sure, you are talking about homosexuals. Call it as it is, or don't say anything about it. I hate the bastardization of the American English language that has been happening for the past decade.
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#66 2005-03-10 9:13 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
Cyberpawz wrote:
iBubba wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
You mean she never met a happy person in her life? What a sad person...
Joke or serious? Either way, poor taste.
It's called Tongue in Cheek humor.
But in any case, why call a kettle anything but black... you or XYZ aren't talking about happy people that's for sure, you are talking about homosexuals. Call it as it is, or don't say anything about it. I hate the bastardization of the American English language that has been happening for the past decade.
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#67 2005-03-11 1:24 am
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If you kill yourself, you fail at life.
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#68 2005-03-11 1:53 am
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yelowpunk wrote:
If you kill yourself, you fail at life.
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No journey is a failure.
1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!
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#69 2005-03-11 4:24 am
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
XYZ wrote:
HeadonaStick wrote:
XYZ wrote:
Gender and sexual orientation are not the same thing.He said they were comparable, not that they were the same thing.
And yet, he's still wrong.
Homosexuality is not a matter of choice, and it's not determined by socialization. If that were true, you wouldn't have homosexuals in societies like Taliban Afghanistan where they were crushed in public with boulders, or in Saudi Arabia where they are beheaded in public. And, you'd have a larger homosexual percentage in countries that appreciate homosexuals.
In reality, the percentage of homosexuals in a population is not determined by social mores.
You've missed his point entirely it seems.
Gender is not a matter of choice, and it's not determined by socialization. If that were true, you wouldn't have women in societies like Taliban Afghanistan where they were crushed in public with boulders, or in Saudi Arabia where they are beheaded in public. And, you'd have a larger women percentage in countries that appreciate homosexuals.
He didn't say being gay was a choice, in fact he implied that, like gender, it is inherent, but that letting it define your life is the source of many of our problems.
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#70 2005-03-11 11:08 am
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Gender is not a matter of choice, and it's not determined by socialization.
A large portion of gender is determined by social mores. Gender is "masculinity" and "femininity".
If that were true, you wouldn't have women in societies like Taliban Afghanistan.
Sex and gender are two different things.
People don't choose what sex they're born as.
People also don't choose their sexual orientation.
Gender is malleable to a point, and there is quite a bit of innate diversity.
Sexual behavior can be influenced by social mores, like gender.
The existence of varying degrees of bisexuality doesn't make sexual orientation something that's defined by social mores.
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#71 2005-03-11 11:23 am
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
XYZ wrote:
Gender is not a matter of choice, and it's not determined by socialization.
A large portion of gender is determined by social mores. Gender is "masculinity" and "femininity".
If that were true, you wouldn't have women in societies like Taliban Afghanistan.
Sex and gender are two different things.
People don't choose what sex they're born as.
People also don't choose their sexual orientation.
Gender is malleable to a point, and there is quite a bit of innate diversity.
Sexual behavior can be influenced by social mores, like gender.
The existence of varying degrees of bisexuality doesn't make sexual orientation something that's defined by social mores.
What a perfect example of contradictions.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#72 2005-03-11 1:02 pm
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freecat wrote:
Question: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
more or less: There's no such thing as a pin, you idiot!
That's almost the funniest thing in this thread! (sorry, Cyberpawz takes the prize as usual)
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#73 2005-03-11 1:59 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
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I hate the bastardization of the American English language that has been happening for the past decade.
That's beautiful.
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#74 2005-03-11 2:34 pm
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Damn you Tallgeese... I was gonna add that snippet to my sig.
And it just keeps getting better... "What a perfect example of contradictions". Pure comedy genius.
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#75 2005-03-11 2:41 pm
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Damn you Tallgeese... I was gonna add that snippet to mysig.
And it just keeps getting better... "What a perfect example of contradictions". Pure comedy genius.
That would be a good member title.
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