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#51 2003-01-22 9:19 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

S. Sport
U. Utility
V. Vehicle

An SUV when it gets to over two tons is no longer something the soccer moms drive...(hell even the ones that are a 1/2 a ton they still can't drive or park correctly)

I owned a SUV almost 10 yrs ago that was 2 and 1/2 tons...it was for hauling computers around by the dozen to several school systems.  I could almost fit a VW Buggy in the back of the truck if I wanted to. that is the differences between a working SUV, and these toys people call SUVs today.

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#52 2003-01-22 9:26 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

S. Sport
U. Utility
V. Vehicle

An SUV when it gets to over two tons is no longer something the soccer moms drive...(hell even the ones that are a 1/2 a ton they still can't drive or park correctly)

I owned a SUV almost 10 yrs ago that was 2 and 1/2 tons...it was for hauling computers around by the dozen to several school systems.  I could almost fit a VW Buggy in the back of the truck if I wanted to. that is the differences between a working SUV, and these toys people call SUVs today.

Cyberpawz

Haven't you seen that commercial where the soccer mom parks that whale of a GMC between the two rows of Harleys?

The category of SUV includes everything from that Paul Hogan Subaru wagon to these monster sized trucks. It's stupid.

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#53 2003-01-22 9:27 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

S. Sport
U. Utility
V. Vehicle

An SUV when it gets to over two tons is no longer something the soccer moms drive...(hell even the ones that are a 1/2 a ton they still can't drive or park correctly)

I owned a SUV almost 10 yrs ago that was 2 and 1/2 tons...it was for hauling computers around by the dozen to several school systems.  I could almost fit a VW Buggy in the back of the truck if I wanted to. that is the differences between a working SUV, and these toys people call SUVs today.

Cyberpawz

What are you talking about?  Are you proving my point, of debating it?  I honestly can't tell.

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#54 2003-01-22 9:49 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

S. Sport
U. Utility
V. Vehicle

An SUV when it gets to over two tons is no longer something the soccer moms drive...(hell even the ones that are a 1/2 a ton they still can't drive or park correctly)

I owned a SUV almost 10 yrs ago that was 2 and 1/2 tons...it was for hauling computers around by the dozen to several school systems.  I could almost fit a VW Buggy in the back of the truck if I wanted to. that is the differences between a working SUV, and these toys people call SUVs today.

Cyberpawz

What are you talking about?  Are you proving my point, of debating it?  I honestly can't tell.

debating it. since the toys you called SUV's really aren't smile

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#55 2003-01-22 9:52 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

debating it. since the toys you called SUV's really aren't smile

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By the book, they indeed are SUVs.  That's the flaw in the system I was talking about.

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#56 2003-01-22 9:53 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs



Haven't you seen that commercial where the soccer mom parks that whale of a GMC between the two rows of Harleys?

The category of SUV includes everything from that Paul Hogan Subaru wagon to these monster sized trucks. It's stupid.

And i'd like to see a soccer mom with athat much control over a moster of a truck...

i had a roomate which wouldn't handle anything larger than a S10, for anything larger than that and she was terrified of parking in it...

Actually if it's a wagon, or a station wagon, it is still a large station wagon, people call it an SUV because they don't know better.

Remeber this, any SUV that is over a ton, is concidered a SUV, anything under it (kind of truck), is concidered a toy...

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#57 2003-01-22 9:57 am

Mustapha Mond
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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs



Haven't you seen that commercial where the soccer mom parks that whale of a GMC between the two rows of Harleys?

The category of SUV includes everything from that Paul Hogan Subaru wagon to these monster sized trucks. It's stupid.

And i'd like to see a soccer mom with athat much control over a moster of a truck...

i had a roomate which wouldn't handle anything larger than a S10, for anything larger than that and she was terrified of parking in it...

Actually if it's a wagon, or a station wagon, it is still a large station wagon, people call it an SUV because they don't know better.

Remeber this, any SUV that is over a ton, is concidered a SUV, anything under it (kind of truck), is concidered a toy...

Cyberpawz

Well, you can make up your own idea of how to classify things all you want, but r_u was talking about the legal categories, and so was I.

Also, the commercial I was talking about isn't for, literally, a "Monster Truck," but for this really really big GMC truck with a new type of stearing (probably 4-wheel steering) designed specifically to make soccer moms comfortable driving and parking such gigantic automobiles.

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#58 2003-01-22 10:03 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs



Haven't you seen that commercial where the soccer mom parks that whale of a GMC between the two rows of Harleys?

The category of SUV includes everything from that Paul Hogan Subaru wagon to these monster sized trucks. It's stupid.

And i'd like to see a soccer mom with athat much control over a moster of a truck...

i had a roomate which wouldn't handle anything larger than a S10, for anything larger than that and she was terrified of parking in it...

Actually if it's a wagon, or a station wagon, it is still a large station wagon, people call it an SUV because they don't know better.

Remeber this, any SUV that is over a ton, is concidered a SUV, anything under it (kind of truck), is concidered a toy...

Cyberpawz

Well, you can make up your own idea of how to classify things all you want, but r_u was talking about the legal categories, and so was I.

Also, the commercial I was talking about isn't for, literally, a "Monster Truck," but for this really really big GMC truck with a new type of stearing (probably 4-wheel steering) designed specifically to make soccer moms comfortable driving and parking such gigantic automobiles.

So be it, but still what is the point, this is not going to be something you can put under for a tax deduction anyway... the truck has to be used for work as it's primary function...not to tote kids around whenever she pleases.


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#59 2003-01-22 11:07 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

None of the vehicles you mentioned are over 6000lbs, therefor they do not qualify for the tax break. Therefore we shouldnt even talk about them.


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#60 2003-01-22 11:17 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

None of the vehicles you mentioned are over 6000lbs, therefor they do not qualify for the tax break. Therefore we shouldnt even talk about them.

Then what SUV is an industrial vehicle and why is it considered an industrial vehicle given the use of it espeically in comparison to pickup trucks and vans.

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#61 2003-01-22 11:24 am

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

How are SUVs not industrial vehicles?

Tell you what, you tell me how they are industrial vehicles.  Start with the Toyota RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Kia thing that I can't remember the name of.

An SUV is just a glorified station wagon with four wheel drive.

They serve no more an industrial purpose than a Subaru Legacy.

None of the vehicles you mentioned are over 6000lbs, therefor they do not qualify for the tax break. Therefore we shouldnt even talk about them.

Then what SUV is an industrial vehicle and why is it considered an industrial vehicle given the use of it espeically in comparison to pickup trucks and vans.

Guess what? Trucks and vans are included in the tax break too (if the are over 6K)

Industrial SUVs would be like the excursion and other similar sized vehicles. The military uses them all the time to move around stuff. I have also seen them at many construction sites. Heck Ford/Chevy even avertise those vehicles as perfect for businesses to move around stuff.


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#62 2003-01-22 1:03 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

no SO, you simply don't understand

Yes I do.  However it is clear that you do not  :arrow:


a real estate agent about to buy a 20-mpg midsize SUV that doesn't qualify for the deduction might opt for a full-size SUV instead, because it does qualify

You are correct Ronald.

the language regarding vehicles limits the tax benefit to those with a gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 pounds or more. That means full-size SUVs and pickups.


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#63 2003-01-22 1:08 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

no SO, you simply don't understand

Yes I do.  However it is clear that you do not  :arrow:


a real estate agent about to buy a 20-mpg midsize SUV that doesn't qualify for the deduction might opt for a full-size SUV instead, because it does qualify

You are correct Ronald.

the language regarding vehicles limits the tax benefit to those with a gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 pounds or more. That means full-size SUVs and pickups.

I agree with the farmer. You have no idea whats going on here.


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#64 2003-01-22 1:08 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Guess what? Trucks and vans are included in the tax break too (if the are over 6K)

Yes. We all know this. :arrow:


a real estate agent about to buy a 20-mpg midsize SUV that doesn't qualify for the deduction might opt for a full-size SUV instead, because it does qualify

You are correct Ronald.

the language regarding vehicles limits the tax benefit to those with a gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 pounds or more. That means full-size SUVs and pickups.

This means that small businessess looking into a fleet of lighter, more fuel efficient vehicles are out of luck.


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#65 2003-01-22 1:10 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

This means that small businessess looking into a fleet of lighter, more fuel efficient vehicles are out of luck.

Guess what? Thats falls under a different catagory of tax exemption (business expense)


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#66 2003-01-22 1:11 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

I agree with the farmer.

The guy that brags about having  21+ year old underwear? Okay, good for you.


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#67 2003-01-22 1:13 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

I agree with the farmer.

The guy that brags about having  21+ year old underwear? Okay, good for you.

And you have the latest version of MoronScript(tm), who cares?


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#68 2003-01-22 1:13 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

you simply don't understand the tax codes and what the proposed change is

Yes I do. I own and operate a small business.


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#69 2003-01-22 1:15 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

you simply don't understand the tax codes and what the proposed change is

Yes I do. I own and operate a small business.

making RC cars?


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#70 2003-01-22 1:15 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Thats falls under a different catagory of tax exemption

You are wrong.


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#71 2003-01-22 1:16 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

I agree with the farmer.

The guy that brags about having  21+ year old underwear? Okay, good for you.

So relax, same with you Styer... yeesh... flame war...how bout getting back on topic...

If it makes Farmer, or so feel any better, or to get a chuckle from someone...

I was programing in Basic a year before Styer was born... wink

Although I am glad my underwear from that time no longer fits, I wouldn't mind having that much hair again on my head...

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Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#72 2003-01-22 1:18 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Please don't feed the trolls

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#73 2003-01-22 1:20 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Please don't feed the trolls

Feed me! Feed Me!

And on a topic related note are you going to reply to my post a few back?


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#74 2003-01-22 1:22 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Please don't feed the trolls

Feed?  lol I think he over stuffed...fat with the fuel to troll with...unthankfully the more over stuffed a troll is, the louder he gets, not quieter...

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#75 2003-01-22 2:10 pm

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Re: Bush plan pays big for SUVs

Please don't feed the trolls

And on a topic related note are you going to reply to my post a few back?

I wasn't going to, having said my piece and all, but since you asked:  I know that SUVs are used in industry, but IMO they're not as practical as other vehicles.  Besides, I'd bet the vast majority of SUVs are just used to fetched groceries.

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