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I suppose the answer would be that when using Windows, one can use windows software and hardware.

Just like when using Mac OS, one can use Mac software and hardware..


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both are different, both are good for different things, deal with it.

I have 4 computers, some are Macs, some are PCs.

This isn't a war, it's a co-op game.

How about xp ability to have mult user log in with each user having his own background/font/theme/desktop icon!

I am not sure if X have this option! let me know!

How about xp ability to click right button at the task bar. and click align to snap mult window side by side? I been trying to found a way to do that in X and so far not able to!

How about xp having utility like defrag which I don't think X have!

there's no point arguing, you obviously already have your opinions and no-one is going to change them, really. (not that that is a bad thing, its just how people are, especially on the internet )

Personally i use whatever is best for the job... Linux, OS X, WinXP, BSD, whatever. Or whatever runs on the hardware with the best price/performance ratio, as I can't really afford to spend a bunch of money on a computer... I'll have this same B&W G3 for a while, I think. My PC will get money spent on it because its just more economical to do so.

Defragging is de-fragmenting. Fragmenting is what happens, say when you have (for example) 10 MP3 files. They're all 4MB. Then you delete one that was stored in the middle and put a new one on the hard drive that's 6MB. It can get put partially in one location (the now-empty 4MB) and partially in another (the other 2MB). So now the HD has to jump around to keep getting all the data for the file. Picture that happenning with about any space you make by deleting something and you start to get the picture of how jumbled this can make your data.
Defragging simply pulls up all your data and makes files all in one continuous piece on the hard drive again, generally to regain performance. Of course, this does tend to require moving a lot of data on your drive...and so is somewhat dangerous. Plus depending on the filesystem, defragging may not affect speed too much (or it may not get fragmented as easily). Personally I prefer to simply reformat 2 or 3 times a year. You can get defrag software for most any OS, so I can't see why that's mentioned here....

Anyway, I tend to use my PC when it makes sense for me to...generally for Windows only software. Also, the fact that my PC over two generations of upgrades hasn't cost me as much as my Powerbook (which isn't a high end model), says something.

Software and cost probably dictate a lot of the decisions to use PCs.

Sometimes there's the speed of the hardware too. Especially at the price point. Sure, a Dual 1.25Ghz G4 might keep up with dual Athlons (this is just what I've heard) but at how much more? One can easily build a dual Xeon 2+ Ghz for the cost of the dual 867. Not to mention that machines triple the clockspeed of it cost less than an eMac. Gaming? How much less does a decent gaming PC cost than a PowerMac that's equipped for it? How much better does it perform? 'nuff said.

I personally find Windows2k's interface to be very quick for me to navigate (probably partly because I use it the most). I like OSX's interface over OS9 (now)...however, there's a lot to be said for what people are used to. Not everyone is savvy enough to just start using a new OS and figure it out themselves. In fact, even people I know that are pretty savvy with Windows get frustrated with OSX sometimes because they don't know where stuff is. Some of the MacOS is intuitive...other parts are not, especially if you're used to another system. (coming from ground zero though, a Mac is definitely simpler).


Personally, I find that reasons to use MacOSX over Windows XP aren't so much because of the interface or whatever. I think that the Digital Rights management, the product activation, etc. of WinXP make OSX more attractive.

How about xp ability to have mult user log in with each user having his own background/font/theme/desktop icon!

I am not sure if X have this option! let me know!

yes, osx has multiple-user accounts with their own everything. you could log on as two different users and see two completely different setups. backround and everything. they have their own folders and files.

as for the taskbar right click, i'm not sure i know what u mean, i've never seen that i don't think...

oh, and i'm not sure what defrag is. i have the idea it's something to do with the hard drive, but other than that, i don't know exacly what it is. i don't think that mac users even need a utility like it. but, like i said, i'm not completely sure. if someone could tell me, i'd appreciate it greatly.


and odin, common, i don't want to appear mad or bold just because i'm on the internet. of course i have my own opinions, and yes, it would take a lot to change them, but this is just for the fun of debate, not argument.

there's no point arguing, you obviously already have your opinions and no-one is going to change them, really. (not that that is a bad thing, its just how people are, especially on the internet smile.gif)

don't disagree with what i'm doing just to look more intelligent or mature (it's just how some people are, especially on the internet). ok, i'm just teasing you, but try having some fun with it, man! jump in and enjoy the forum, don't be buzzkill that you can find in almost any thread.

alright, hope to hear from more people about our DEBATE,
-fluke

relax and just have fun with this one, please

Sorry, I just seen the same argument hashed out over and over and over and over in the history of these boards... it does eventually get old Wasn't meant to be insulting in anyway..

Personally I'm pretty open minded in my computer use... Right now though I use my PC a lot more than I do my mac. This is pretty much a cost issue, my PC is a lot faster than my mac, because I can't AFFORD a faster mac. I built my PC (an athlon XP 1600+) for about what it would cost to buy another B&W G3/450 (my current mac) used.

Also, I really like OS X, and I think its got a LOT of potential. But there are some issues I have with it... Mostly stability (of individual apps, the OS itself has only crashed on me once or twice since I started using it... back in the public beta days) and speed related. Part of this would be remedied with a faster processor, but then again, I don't really think that I should need a faster cpu to do basic gui driven file management. The finder in its current implementation is really pretty flaky and slow.

Of course I've got gripes with XP too... and Linux as well. Nothin is perfect, i just use what is at hand or more suited to the task.

Some thinks i like better about windows though... I think i've come to like the taskbar better than the dock, for a few reasons.. It takes up less screen space, its a bit more customizable, and its definately more flexible, with seperate places for app launching, and task switching. Doesn't combine them both into the same space, which is something I don't really like with the dock. Software availability for windows too, is obviously a nice bonus User switching (rather than logging out and back in as a different user) is cool, but I never use it since I'm the only person who uses any of my computers.

The biggest thing though, is definately the hardware... I can do pretty much anything in windows that i could do on my mac, and windows itself doesn't bother me much, after tweaking it to my liking, just like OS X, really. Both have absolutely horrid default themes, for one thing, though OS X's is a bit less obnoxious.

The fact that I can build EXACTLY the computer I want, and pay a decent price for it, is a VERY nice.

give me some hard evidence, concrete evidence:
what does windows (any version) have over mac OSX?

i am a mac user, i have been ever since my dad brought home our first computer: the mac plus. the only problem i have ever had was with older operating systems crashing and extentions mashing. i've never had a computer die on me before, and now with osX, there are no extentions like those in 9 and below and unix doesn't crash. i have always used macs, and i have used all versions of windows, and i am not impressed with any of them. now that i have jaguar, it just makes windows seem that much weaker. the mac os has matured, windows has just gotten cuter.

(xp, hello?)

give me real proof, i'm open to hear what you have to say.

don't get mad, just be very straight forward with me. lets be mature.


can't wait to hear,
-fluke

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KAZAA! I hear a lot of my friends saying if they could run their fave programs like Kazaa on a mac they would switch. Mac doesnt even have WINMX. DAMNIT KAZAA GIVE MAC USERS FRIGGIN KAZAA!!!

Headaches (PC running XP just died and is refusing to Boot) I'll take my Slow and Solid G4 running X over a PC w/ XP, unless it's for gameing ^^ then jury is out

i do agree with you, pc is a better platform for gaming than the mac. this is very true. the one technology that makes games run on pc's so much better though, is being ported to mac right now, so that should help out a little.

i don't knwo about the startup thing, because both my ibook and imac start up in about thirty seconds. gatchaman, what kind of mac u got?

kazaa and other programs like it are important to some, and not to others. why don't u pick up a copy of virtual pc? if it's too expensive (which i think it is, unless it's a gift) then i don't know what to tell you. but i've never used those before, it's all a personal preference.

good opinions and arguments. yes, the mac gui is slow compared to that of windows. i don't know about the web loading speed, i havn't really payed attention to the two. on t1 it's the same, on 56k maybe it's different, i'll give it to you cuz i just don't know! haha. one thing i do know, though, is that my mac has never "died". i've never seen a "blue screen of death" on my comp and had to get new one. i think three people at my college ON MY FLOOR have already gotten the blue screen of death. two had to get new comps.

i'll stick to the power of my mac and the stability of it's os. those are more important to me personally.
-fluke

i don't knwo about the startup thing, because both my ibook and imac start up in about thirty seconds. gatchaman, what kind of mac u got?

It's a quicksilver 867 with 1.5GB RAM.  Since I keep it in the bedroom, I have to turn it off at night.  The boot speed is not a big deal, but it is surprising how fast XP boots up.

I have no idea either about the modem thing.  If it was available where I live, I would have some kind of high speed access, and I imagine both would be the same (or close enough).

The only problems I've had so far with the XP machine are flaky XP drivers, but there have been plenty of driver issues in OS X as well.

I've locked up OS 9 a few times, but never had to hard reboot X or XP.

yeah, both my comps start up pretty quick, but on 9, ho man, took  a few min, which kinda sucked. but then again, my friends and i would  joke when 9 blew up. "uh oh... haha... i think it's in a better place..." untill we rebooted it, and then all was well.

and i didn't know that about the win os, the entire internet browsing thing. i will admit that internet explorer for mac osx is no less than terrible. oh, it's aweful. i think that chimera has a lot of potential, seeing as it is usable in the beta .6 state. i was kinda impressed. as soon as i got the data, the graphics popped on the screen. i like it.

as for drivers, i havn't had any issues there, but  i have seen a movie where windows did. oh, that was humorous, even if u're a total pc person. but i have heard of drive issues for both os's.

i agree that using the mac os is simpler. but it all depends on your backround and the people in the area that can help you, u know?

anyways, good ideas, this is really pretty interesting.
-fluke

XP Users - how annoying is the activation feature?  Seriously - I can understand the whole pay for software due to basic human eithics, but truly is it getting in the way?  I know that when you replace a bunch of hardware, you have to re-activate it, but is it really that big of a deal?

Just curious!

Cheers!

I don't know which utiitly you are talking about? why don't you post it here:) so we apple user can use it and screw MS out of their money like I am sure a lot of Apple head like to do!

I think if the utility bypass the serial# ck during install, you will still be able to do the weekly patch, but not the sp1 upgrade because that upgrade will ck the status of the serial # ?