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Well, I wouldn't go to war or not go to war just because the 70+ crowd is polled to not desire it.  I have many other reasons to not want to get into this war.

Polls show that people who lived through World War II -- the "Greatest Generation", as they're sometimes called -- overwhelmingly oppose an attack on Iraq.

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Those folks know something about war and all that it entails, and also what can and cannot justify a war -- much more than probably all of us here in this forum.

So if they don't like the way things are headed, shouldn't we stop and think about it?

Jeesh kid, your link is to an editorial, an opinion piece-not a news story, and in a Canadian paper to boot. Anybody can cook numbers from a poll, (see the NYT) and wow, they polled 5000 out of 290,000,000+ Americans! I'd rather see a poll taken from 5000 people who actually voted in the last election-not just those idiots that answered their phone and spouted off answers to what were surely slanted questions. "Old geezers" he called them-probably can't remember to put the Polident on their dentures and the Prep H on their buttholes, much less make an informed decision about what a difference a war against terrorism would be versus WWII. And since when is "48%" an overwhelming opposition?

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Jeesh kid, your link is to an editorial, an opinion piece-not a news story, and in a Canadian paper to boot. Anybody can cook numbers from a poll, (see the NYT) and wow, they polled 5000 out of 290,000,000+ Americans!  ... snip (yawn) snip

First, smurfhead, I'm not a kid. Second, stupid-head, I never said it was a news story. Third, jackass, insults and dismissals are no substitute for thinking.

I'm trying to stimulate discussion about the approaching Iraq war. You may not care that your government will soon start killing people (including, possibly, its own), and perhaps open up a can of worms that may wind up leading to more war and terrorism, but others do.

If you can't discuss things like a grownup, I suggest you shut up.

Personally, I'm sick of hearing about the "greatest generation". In reality, that's the most pathetic, self centered generation of all time. Look what they did in 'Nam. Also, consider that the children of the "greatest generation" are the most dysfunctional of all time: rampant divorce, mental illness, alcoholism, and so on.

The so called "greatest generation" have absolutely no credibility. Experts agree that in a few years, when they're all gone, the world will be a better place.

Ok, you just showed your youth, that is for sure.

People who went through WWII more or less likely, unless they were lifers in the armed forces, never went though VN. The Baby-Boomers went through VN. 

In that case, you are somewhat right, but in many cases wrong.

I guess you have more to learn...nothing new there...

The "greatest generation" went though WWII, they dictated that we were going to war, but if the population was so strongly against it, we wouldn't of gone.  It is a fact, that if the majority of the people who represent you, tell you to vote one way, you are forced to...against your best judgment.  For representatives are elected for the people, by the people...and if they don't do what the people say, it will be a very likely choice that they will not be elected again, when the time comes.

Rallies show nothing, 1,000,000 people to to a rally, ok, fine, but when you are surrounded by over 203,211,926 (of 1970) people, that is less than .05% of the population. 281,421,906 (of 2000) you need more of the population more like 50% to make a difference...


Cyberpawz

First, smurfhead, I'm not a kid. Second, stupid-head, I never said it was a news story. Third, jackass, insults and dismissals are no substitute for thinking.

I'm trying to stimulate discussion about the approaching Iraq war. You may not care that your government will soon start killing people (including, possibly, its own), and perhaps open up a can of worms that may wind up leading to more war and terrorism, but others do.

If you can't discuss things like a grownup, I suggest you shut up.

Just because you are past 20 yrs old, it does not mean you are an adult...with being an adult, comes maturity, and the ability to talk to people younger and older of you...name calling, and cursing shows only that you are skilled in berrating and cursing...

Open the can of worms all you want, but don't open your mouth and spew out filth that even worms will not burrow in...

Cyberpawz

LOL!  Irony at its best!

Well, I'm glad someone got it.

Polls show that people who lived through World War II -- the "Greatest Generation", as they're sometimes called -- overwhelmingly oppose an attack on Iraq.

Here


Those folks know something about war and all that it entails, and also what can and cannot justify a war -- much more than probably all of us here in this forum.

So if they don't like the way things are headed, shouldn't we stop and think about it?

They're also hella old and hella senile, many of them

Personally, I'm sick of hearing about the "greatest generation". In reality, that's the most pathetic, self centered generation of all time. Look what they did in 'Nam. Also, consider that the children of the "greatest generation" are the most dysfunctional of all time: rampant divorce, mental illness, alcoholism, and so on.

The so called "greatest generation" have absolutely no credibility. Experts agree that in a few years, when they're all gone, the world will be a better place.

And just who might those experts be? :?:

tree nimphs

Anybody can cook numbers from a poll, (see the NYT) and wow, they polled 5000 out of 290,000,000+ Americans!

Actually, a poll of 5000, if chosen correctly, can be incredibly representative of a much, much larger population. Statistics 101

Rallies show nothing, 1,000,000 people to to a rally, ok, fine, but when you are surrounded by over 203,211,926 (of 1970) people, that is less than .05% of the population. 281,421,906 (of 2000) you need more of the population more like 50% to make a difference...

Uh.. one million people in a rally is a _HUGE_ number.  First, consider the local population density.  You'll only get a fair representation of the population within a radius of fifty to one hundred miles.  So the number of people rallying is only comparable to the population within that radius -- say, 5 million people.  Second, most people don't care about politics enough to actually leave their house and make a sign.  The fact that there are this many people that much against the war is very telling; not only are there a huge number of people against the war (and even before people start dieing!), but they're strongly against it.

It's interesting to note that as Bush continues to beat on his war drum, his approval rating is continuing to decline.  It was 58% two weeks ago; now it is 54%.  That's two points per week.  Rates of change that big are seen only during huge events, like the State of the Union.  Or when the president is doing something no one wants.

I know you'll whip back with a claim that 54% is still the majority.  Of course that's true, but look a few weeks down the road.  At this rate, only 46% will approve of what he's doing -- that number, as is any approval below fifty percent -- is considered abysmal.  It means that not only does everyone who didn't vote for you not want you, but a fair chunk of the people who -did- vote for you regret it.

1,000,000 people is a small amount of people period, compared to an area, it may be large, but as a nation it's unbelievably small.

The reason the points falling for his "approval rating" is because people are misinformed, they listed to talking heads, "experts" that have never stepped foot into any foreign country, and read papers who have authors that are of the same cloth, with even less experience.

People are so readily to take information at first breath, or word, and even if the truth is placed in front of them, unless what they heard first was written, or spoken, they will not believe it.

Newspapers, and reporters use to pride themselves on reporting information that was correct, or if it was breaking, they would state what they knew...not what they "heard"...people are to willing to have a "flock, or mob" mentality...they are no longer willing to think for themselves, they would rather have someone else do that for them....if those people seem smarter than they in their words, even though they may be wrong, the person is willing to follow or believe them...

That is what is wrong with this country, no one is willing to think, no one is willing to take responsibility when something goes wrong...and no one wants to make the hard decisions any more... they think if they don't do anything it will go away...

I wish this problem would go away...but it won't...we may not like what we have to do, but we are going to have to do something...and sitting on our arese is not an option.

Cyberpawz

..and no one wants to make the hard decisions any more... they think if they don't do anything it will go away...

...and if you could tell me what you believe 'it' is.  What is 'the problem' we're dealing with in Iraq?

Do you think Iraq, even if they did have weapons (not proven), would ever try to attack us?  Has Iraq attacked us in the past? 

Were we allies with Iraq until Hussein invaded Kuwait?  Yep.